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[Lawman]

I can clearly see from this map that it’s true that those liberal states with their kinder gentler PE classes are the ones driving the obesity epidemic.View attachment 60700

You realize that graphic skews in lines with the same sort of minority representation of the population demographic right?

All those damn African’Mericans right? Because everything seems to be Liberal/Conservative for some of us these days.


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[Richman]

Or, in my case, get picked last for everything. Become a target for cannon-armed dodgeball warriors. All while the gym teachers leaned against the wall laughing.

Yeah I learned a ton. (/sarcasm) And avoided any type of gymnasium or organized sports for a decade afterwards. Gym class was school sanctioned child abuse for a lot of us.


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I sympathize with your situation, having been there myself, but I think this serves as a brutal reminder of how society really works. There are no safe spaces in the real world.

Snitches get stitches, so ratting out bullies never worked, but situations like this provided the kids on the bad end of the stick how to adapt to the real world.

Learning the basics of how to camouflage, deal with lookism, evasion, the benefit of transactional relationships, dealing with petty authority figures, and how to deal with asshats and their minions (and their name is legion) and the small bubble worlds they live in provided good motivation to learn life lessons as well as to exit the pattern as soon as possible. These are critical lessons to learn if parents aren’t going to do it themselves.

As a bonus, I get to see these assclowns bag my groceries today.

 

[Lawman]

As usual, you look at things and come out with a completely bananas conclusion, in this case that kids don’t stay fit because we don’t push them to compete. Maybe not for you, but for a lot of people the obsession with making everything a competition drives them AWAY from an activity. Like that’s literally the “kid who hated gym class in school” stereotype. You want to increase physical activity, introduce kids to physical activities they can enjoy if they’re NOT type A hyper competitive weirdos.

And of course, wealth inequality is another big driver. Harder to prep healthy meals and get the kids involved in outdoor activities when you don’t have extra time and money.

Again go talk to some educators, because your typical everything is oppression and liberal conservative slant to all arguments is wrong.

My sister is a director in her school district, and it’s by no means broke. The district is deliberate in its efforts to not allow the kinds of competitive sports/education/access you’re bringing money and means into. It’s one of the richer districts in the state. Parents are participating in more and more extra curricular forms of sports and programs specifically because their kids aren’t getting it at school the way we used to.

You realize military leadership has been grappling with this for years and been screaming about the ever fattening society and lack of any sort of competitive upbringing because we have to deal with it when we intake it and try to make a soldier out of said starting point. It’s not some “these young kids today” nonsense, the SECDEF has briefed white papers to Congress on it because it’s seen as a threat to future National security. Too fat to fight: Pentagon grapples with obesity epidemic

But hey bring up another info graphic and tell us how the liberals got it right with only 1/5 reporting as obese while those fatty conservatives in Georgia are at 1/3. What a victory.


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[jtrain609]

Again go talk to some educators, because your typical everything is oppression and liberal conservative slant to all arguments is wrong.

My sister is a director in her school district, and it’s by no means broke. The district is deliberate in its efforts to not allow the kinds of competitive sports/education/access you’re bringing money and means into. It’s one of the richer districts in the state. Parents are participating in more and more extra curricular forms of sports and programs specifically because their kids aren’t getting it at school the way we used to.

You realize military leadership has been grappling with this for years and been screaming about the ever fattening society and lack of any sort of competitive upbringing because we have to deal with it when we intake it and try to make a soldier out of said starting point. It’s not some “these young kids today” nonsense, the SECDEF has briefed white papers to Congress on it because it’s seen as a threat to future National security. Too fat to fight: Pentagon grapples with obesity epidemic

But hey bring up another info graphic and tell us how the liberals got it right with only 1/5 reporting as obese while those fatty conservatives in Georgia are at 1/3. What a victory.


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Believe it or not, we're not living in a Heinlein novel and the purpose of society is not to breed children to serve in the military.

 

[Roger Roger]

Believe it or not, we're not living in a Heinlein novel and the purpose of society is not to breed children to serve in the military.

Of course not, it’s also to breed egotistical male “wolf of Wall Street” types who make capitalism great! Gotta build that killer competitive instinct into everything!

 

[MikeD]

Believe it or not, we're not living in a Heinlein novel and the purpose of society is not to breed children to serve in the military.

Of course not, it’s also to breed egotistical male “wolf of Wall Street” types who make capitalism great! Gotta build that killer competitive instinct into everything!

there is a point to be made, however, that working towards being healthy and having a generally healthy lifestyle, pays dividends down the road both for the individual and to society as a whole. Healthy people are less a burden to the medical system, both pre-hospital EMS as well as in-hospital acute or extended care, thus freeing up those resources for actual emergencies of non-preventable medical situations. If kids can avoid becoming obese in their teens and earlier, it would be a win-win for all, as it only gets more difficult with age. It doesn’t require competitive sports; though that is an option; physical fitness should be pushed as an individual desire to do for the good of oneself.

 

[Roger Roger]

there is a point to be made, however, that working towards being healthy and having a generally healthy lifestyle, pays dividends down the road both for the individual and to society as a whole. Healthy people are less a burden to the medical system, both pre-hospital EMS as well as in-hospital acute or extended care, thus freeing up those resources for actual emergencies of non-preventable medical situations. If kids can avoid becoming obese in their teens and earlier, it would be a win-win for all, as it only gets more difficult with age. It doesn’t require competitive sports; though that is an option; physical fitness should be pushed as an individual desire to do for the good of oneself.

Exactly. The point has been made that for a lot of people including several earlier in this thread the old school lord of the flies dodgeball PE actually turned them off of physical activity.

 

[Lawman]

Believe it or not, we're not living in a Heinlein novel and the purpose of society is not to breed children to serve in the military.

Heinlein writes one novel and the world forgets he took the exact opposite slant in Stranger in a Strange Land.

This isn’t about making good soldiers, it’s about making well rounded products we as a society fund the production of.

If collectively the education world said tomorrow, “hey we are just gonna stop doing math and English at the current 7th grade level in our public curriculum because we see that as adequate preparation to meet follow on societal expectations,” you and any other sane person who pays taxes would lose their damn minds. If you lived in a district where they outlawed sexual education because the theological crazies demanded it, you would be at a school board meeting preaching against it. Likewise I’d the school decided to suspend all music and art programs, a group of tax payers that see that as a sacred cow would demand better stewardship of their investment.

Education through public schooling isn’t actual education, it’s programming the little biological thinking computer to function and flourish in society. Being physically fit is part and should be an emphasized part of that programming same as health, math, science, and culture. Entirely too many people with some form of stressed cultural head in the sand attitude about it would rather get rid of the problems of bullying and exclusion by just not having programs all together. That’s not a solution, it’s passing the buck.



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[Boris Badenov]

Exactly. The point has been made that for a lot of people including several earlier in this thread the old school lord of the flies dodgeball PE actually turned them off of physical activity.

That shouldn't happen. But there needs to be a certain degree of lord of the flies in order to prepare kids to live in the real world. The type a hyper-aggressive jerks you're carrying a pitchfork for exist, and will continue to exist (although I don't think anyone in this conversation is one of them). One needs to be exposed and gain the ability (more like willingness, really) to give them a bloody nose if the situation calls for it.

School is just practice for life, and what you're practicing in gym class is, sure, of course, staying physically fit for all of the reasons MikeD points out. But it's also practicing sorting small groups in to a dominance hierarchy (whether we like it or not, we're monkeys, and that's what monkeys do). Now, what we want to happen is for those hierarchies to be refined, sophisticated, and (to the extent possible) just. But in order for that to happen, the smarter monkeys who can see past the end of their nose and therefore tend to be somewhat more risk-averse must be willing and able to stand up to the big dumb monkeys who...you know what just play the Team America "dicks" speech in your head here.

In any case, I think a LOT of the things we spend a lot of the time complaining about are a direct result of those capable of seeing nuance, shading, and subtlety being intimidated in to inaction and/or silence by dumbasses who see only Us vs. Them (where they are US and you probably aren't), and imho while that was probably always somewhat the case, it has gotten substantially worse in the last generation or so, and it's very hard for me not to see a direct link between this phenomenon and the de-normalization of constrained, proportional, supervised aggressive behaviors in children.

TL;DR: Teaching nerds to shun competition and reasonable levels of aggression is how you wind up with President Trump.

 

[NovemberEcho]

it has gotten substantially worse in the last generation or so, and it's very hard for me not to see a direct link between this phenomenon and the de-normalization of constrained, proportional, supervised aggressive behaviors in children.

I think it has a lot more to do with the invention of the internet and giving every us vs them blow hard a microphone and echo chamber.

 

[jtrain609]

TL;DR: Teaching nerds to shun competition and reasonable levels of aggression is how you wind up creating Republicans who believe they can behave like children for the rest of their lives.

FIFY.

 

[Boris Badenov]

I think it has a lot more to do with the invention of the internet and giving every us vs them blow hard a microphone and echo chamber.

It can certainly be both.

 

[Richman]

Believe it or not, we're not living in a Heinlein novel and the purpose of society is not to breed children to serve in the military.

Which novel is that? I thought I had read them all.

 

[jtrain609]

Which novel is that? I thought I had read them all.

It's not a novel, it's a theme of military worship.

 

[Lawman]

Which novel is that? I thought I had read them all.

Somewhere about a decade ago it became all the rage to categorize Heinlein as some cheerleader for racism and fascism by a group of loon bats in the internet social cause head spheres. Mention his name 3 times in Reddit and it opens a portal to 1938 Nuremberg during a particular time of day…

They removed any context or discussion about the totality of his work as a fictional novelist and basically just use Starship Troopers as all and only evidence that Heinlein was an advocate for Naziism or military governments, because he wrote a science fiction novel.

It's not a novel, it's a theme of military worship.

Christ dude go read Stranger in a Strange Land, he advocates for and lays out a successful society adopting polar opposite principles.


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[GypsyPilot]

If you all are on Reddit, you might find the HarmanCainAward thread interesting.

Disclaimer: I do not like glorifying someone’s death. It is just interesting to see how staunchly anti-vax, and buy into conspiracy theories even as their health falls apart due to covid. The damaging effects are far more reaching than just the individuals.

Here’s an interesting example of award winners on that sub:

 

[Richman]

Somewhere about a decade ago it became all the rage to categorize Heinlein as some cheerleader for racism and fascism by a group of loon bats in the internet social cause head spheres. Mention his name 3 times in Reddit and it opens a portal to 1938 Nuremberg during a particular time of day…

They removed any context or discussion about the totality of his work as a fictional novelist and basically just use Starship Troopers as all and only evidence that Heinlein was an advocate for Naziism or military governments, because he wrote a science fiction novel.
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Which it wasn’t. In fact, I don’t really recall many of his novels that glorified the military. I will admit that Starship Troopers illustrated a more competent variety of the military than usual. I don’t get the rest of the accusations at all. In the fictional government described, the rights of a citizen and a legal resident were identical, except for one, the ability to vote. If you wanted to get the vote, you did federal service, which outside of times of war, was done mostly with non-military jobs. In fact, if you wanted to serve, they had to accept you if you could understand the oath of office. They’d literally make a job for you if you wanted to earn your franchise.

Outside of ST, Heinlein certainly emphasized that highly competent individuals could succeed in a variety of circumstances, and that math was important, which it is.

 

[jtrain609]

Somewhere about a decade ago it became all the rage to categorize Heinlein as some cheerleader for racism and fascism by a group of loon bats in the internet social cause head spheres. Mention his name 3 times in Reddit and it opens a portal to 1938 Nuremberg during a particular time of day…

They removed any context or discussion about the totality of his work as a fictional novelist and basically just use Starship Troopers as all and only evidence that Heinlein was an advocate for Naziism or military governments, because he wrote a science fiction novel.



Christ dude go read Stranger in a Strange Land, he advocates for and lays out a successful society adopting polar opposite principles.


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You're acting like I hate Heinlein, and nothing could be further from the truth. He was a fantastic author, but I don't worship the ground he walked on. Starship Troopers is a literary classic that has more depth to it than most science fiction. The idea of who gets to vote and why is a completely valid question, and is something humans have been trying to answer to 2,000 years. Should it be tied to military service? I'm not going to say no, but I'll say that I appreciate the concept that people who make the rules should have some skin in the game.

That being said, he was a Naval Academy graduate, he loved the Navy, and everyone approaches their lives through their own experiences, so of course he's going to have a military worship approach to his work. And it wasn't just Starship Troopers, the Juveniles series had the same themes.

 

[Richman]

You're acting like I hate Heinlein, and nothing could be further from the truth. He was a fantastic author, but I don't worship the ground he walked on. Starship Troopers is a literary classic that has more depth to it than most science fiction. The idea of who gets to vote and why is a completely valid question, and is something humans have been trying to answer to 2,000 years. Should it be tied to military service? I'm not going to say no, but I'll say that I appreciate the concept that people who make the rules should have some skin in the game.

That being said, he was a Naval Academy graduate, he loved the Navy, and everyone approaches their lives through their own experiences, so of course he's going to have a military worship approach to his work. And it wasn't just Starship Troopers, the Juveniles series had the same themes.

See my post above. The franchise wasn’t tied to military service, only federal service. Anyone could sign up, and no matter how disabled you were, they’d make a job for you to make it possible to earn citizenship.

The jobs typically did have some unpleasant component to them, which was the point. You had to earn it.

 

[MikeD]

In the fictional government described, the rights of a citizen and a legal resident were identical, except for one, the ability to vote.

Which is one of the biggest differences between a US citizen and a US LPR green card holder.