Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
That's pretty racist. You might have some 767 bias that you really need to take into serious consideration.
737 goes down off Hawaii
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That's pretty racist. You might have some 767 bias that you really need to take into serious consideration.
T/O w/FSII
Well-Known Member
Also just want to add they did this at 2am wearing night vision googles. Insane job by the CG.
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
@Seggy and I were talking about this yesterday. The controller tried to clear them on a 100 degree heading 3 or 4 times before figuring out they had an issue. Part of that is that she isn't a super great controller on a normal day, but without a mayday call and with slightly mumbled comms from the plane, how would she know?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The HFD fire boat had to come all the way around the reef runway, across the Pearl Harbor Channel and then down the Ewa coast line to get on scene... in the dark. I don't think they use NVGs so it's super impressive they were able to pull one of the guys out of the water with the assist from the rescue swimmer.
Night ocean rescue ops are one of the most dangerous helo operations out there. NVGs help out, but unaided is even more difficult, Having no visual references for hover, because the ocean swells being pushed away by your rotor wash creates a visual illusion that you are continuously drifting aft/backwards. Your radar altimeter fluctuates with swell heights, forcing you to average it out. Any hover coupler will have to be used in a less accurate baro hover mode. Any insidious descents of about 50-100fpm that aren’t noticed on the instruments will result in water impact because the NVGs have no depth perception, or if unaided, there’s also nothing to see in the landing and searchlights. If trying to hover over a ship or boat for a hoist pickup, you have to deal with its rocking and swaying in the ocean swells along with matching its forward speed; if the ship/boat has no steerage or propulsion, it’s only worse. If you have to do a swimmer insertion direct from the cabin, you have to do it at 10 ft and 10 knots, which means you can have tops of swells slapping the tail of the bird as you’re doing the maneuver.
If there’s a maneuver that you never get comfortable with, because comfort will equal complacency and will bite you in the butt, is night water ops. With night shipboard small-deck ops as second place.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
I guess I’m just spare parts, huh?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
They say plane crashes come in threes. A carribean islands plane crash killing 6, snd now a Philippines military crash killing at least 45. 
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Sure and Farmer Bob ground looped his Luscombe yesterday so I guess we'd all better stand around in an air raid shelter for the rest of time. Oogie oogie boogie! *Shakes stick at sky*.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Typically that reference isn’t for GA flying. It’s for commercial operators.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Sure and it's basically Astrology, whatever it refers to.
fholbert
Mod's - Please don't edit my posts!
They say the stupid • you post come in groups of 500. Where are we at, I’ve lost count.They say plane crashes come in threes. A carribean islands plane crash killing 6, snd now a Philippines military crash killing at least 45.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Waaaaa. Call the wambulance.
Here’s a question for you freighter private pilots: when you whine on a freighter, can commercial pilots hear it in the flight levels?
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
Why would such a rule (actually a superstition) only apply to commercial operators?
Are there different laws of physics for GA and commercial operators?
Are there different laws of statistics for GA and commercial operators?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
*sigh*
Clearly you don’t know the aviation saying about accident coming in 3s.
Here are other members of JC posting about incidents comes in threes:
First the AA Captain,
Friend sent me this. http://savvystews.com/2015/10/united-airlines-first-officer-passes-out-in-flight-causes-diversion-to-albuquerque/
jetcareers.com
Crew investigated after Delta (Pinnacle) flight to MSP is canceled
Heeeeeeeeere we go again... http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2012/02/20/delta-air-lines-pinnacle-flight-canceled.html?ana=yfcpc Crew investigated after Delta flight to MSP is canceled Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal by Ed Stych, Web Producer Date: Monday, February 20, 2012...
jetcareers.com
Skywest incident at MKE
Seems Skywest had a gear issue in MKE and closed the airport for a bit
jetcareers.com
Another plane crash in Utah...
Today not as good of an outcome. 2 dead. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6645174
jetcareers.com
Turkish Airlines Boeing 737 Crash, Amsterdam Schiphol
nobody will really know until everything is calmed down. all we can do is hope everybody is ok
jetcareers.com
There’s more, I just stop pasting them. You get the idea.
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CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
*sigh*
Clearly you don’t know the aviation saying about accident coming in 3s.
Here are other members of JC posting about incidents comes in threes:
First the AA Captain,
Friend sent me this. http://savvystews.com/2015/10/united-airlines-first-officer-passes-out-in-flight-causes-diversion-to-albuquerque/
Crew investigated after Delta (Pinnacle) flight to MSP is canceled
Heeeeeeeeere we go again... http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2012/02/20/delta-air-lines-pinnacle-flight-canceled.html?ana=yfcpc Crew investigated after Delta flight to MSP is canceled Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal by Ed Stych, Web Producer Date: Monday, February 20, 2012...
Skywest incident at MKE
Seems Skywest had a gear issue in MKE and closed the airport for a bit
Another plane crash in Utah...
Today not as good of an outcome. 2 dead. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6645174
Turkish Airlines Boeing 737 Crash, Amsterdam Schiphol
nobody will really know until everything is calmed down. all we can do is hope everybody is ok
There’s more, I just stop pasting them. You get the idea.
*sigh*
None of those are not the answers to the questions I asked.
Yes. I’m aware of the phrase, and the superstition that goes with it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
GA vs commercial airlines? Is that a serious question? 121 commercial jetliner operations are safer than 91 GA in almost every measurable metric. Medical, recurrent training, rules, regulations, SOPs, accident history, etc.
(Small exception for certain jet operators who operate under 91 that mirror 121)
msmspilot
Well-Known Member
It's a saying that gets applied to many, many things, like celebrity deaths. There's no basis in it, except that the human brain is so good at finding patterns, we'll find them ANYWHERE.
Is there a flowchart available to see if an accident qualifies for your superstitions? What if it's a 121 airline operating under part 91? Does a military crash qualify?