I really wish people would stop saying this stuff. The same strain that caused the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 50,000,000 people still circulates, but it would have been pretty stupid for people to be like "what's the big deal? Learn to deal with it!" We have a vaccine and it's largely a non-issue. Everyone's sick of this, but the end is in sight.
DOT Sec Buttigieg: Domestic Testing Being Seriously Considered
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Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
It's a mix of "we've tried nothing and are all out of ideas" crossed with "I don't care about my fellow human being."
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And if there aren’t? Because many out there aren’t gonna take the shot.
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
Then this never goes away...
"Don't complain about still having the problem if you won't accept the solution."
Ayork62493
GBR
Is it though? Because the more I read the more I see “experts” saying Covid isn’t going anywhere and masks and social distancing is the future. That’s not a future I want to be a part of.
Prove it.
Ayork62493
GBR
Easy to find this stuff.
I really do try and collect information from everywhere I can. I just listed to a podcast with the doctor saying concerts and any sort of large gathering is going away for at least 20 years. Because apparently the vaccines are curbing the spread, just stopping more severe illness but now with the spread increasing the same number will die because so many people have it. I’m just burned out because everything is speculation and it’s just scaring people.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
I think it'll be endemic for a while and possibly forever, but not epi- or pandemic, and that the more drastic public health interventions will be able to be safely eased as less and less of the population are susceptible to infection. The opportunity to eradicate was long past, and it would seem that, particularly in the United States, nobody outside of the scientists had the appetite or wartime mentality required to do so. A pity.
In this respect and this respect only, it is like almost every other infectious disease on the planet. Except for smallpox and, apparently, rinderpest.
Eradication of infectious diseases - Wikipedia
Now, that said, if we left it to "teehee it is what it is," we'd also never have eradicated smallpox, and we'd not be well on our way to eradicate malaria, polio, measles, mumps, tuberculosis (maybe...maybe not, sigh), rubella and a smattering of other truly nasty things either.
People forget that within my grandparents' living memory, children dying of measles was routine.
• going to Mars. Want to do something cool? Eradicate polio.
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Alright, first let's ignore the massive bias all over that website that's apparent in the first 20 seconds of a heavily Libertarian newspaper. You have two epidemiologists saying it's the "new normal" for them based on their choice, and they didn't say forever, mind you, but if you want to interpret it that way I'll reluctantly give you that. The survey listed about activities they would or wouldn't do was based on in the last 30 days, from an article written in early December (aka, around the height of a massive spike in cases and hospitalizations).
Again, they are talking about their individual lifestyles, and the best number the article can come up with is "some."
And then the last few and largest paragraphs in the article are the author's Libertarian talking points. I know I didn't have this discussion with you, but a similar one in the lav where someone was ranting and raving about CNN's doom and gloom headlines and didn't actually watch the video which raised some interesting points and wasn't even close to as alarmist and doomy as the headline was. If you guys are going to hold that standard for arguments you hate, at least have the diligence to read the articles of the stuff that supports your arguments. Stop basing your opinions off of headlines.
This is like discounting Al Haynes expertise because there's a handful of Jerry Wagners out there.
NovemberEcho
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Here’s the original article and it’s not nearly as gloomy:
www.nytimes.com
How 700 Epidemiologists Are Living Now, and What They Think Is Next (Published 2020)
They are going to the grocery store again, but don’t see vaccines making life normal right away.
BigZ
Well-Known Member
Where's @SlumTodd_Millionaire 's valuable input when you need it
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
He’s probably somewhere else being absolutely correct.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
I mean, as someone who isn't a total selfish POS, if I popped positive prior to boarding, I'd be GLAD I didn't get on that plane. Same goes for the others around me. But hey, I guess that's just me.
I don't really see a problem with it, do we WANT COVID positive pax flying? Now my only issue would come with cost, as when my room mate went to OGG, he paid almost $200 for the mandatory test Hawaiian Airlines required. That kind of forced cost will for sure kill yields, vaccines or not. But if the airline can somehow provide it's own rapid testing at the gate, if we go that route, then I don't get why this would piss people off.
I don't really see a problem with it, do we WANT COVID positive pax flying? Now my only issue would come with cost, as when my room mate went to OGG, he paid almost $200 for the mandatory test Hawaiian Airlines required. That kind of forced cost will for sure kill yields, vaccines or not. But if the airline can somehow provide it's own rapid testing at the gate, if we go that route, then I don't get why this would piss people off.
Ayork62493
GBR
If it were feasible to get an accurate test, easily at home I wouldn’t be so against this. But it takes away resources which are already strained. The tests are also notoriously inaccurate. I had Covid last month, got a rapid test while I show showing symptoms. Negative.
Lost my sense of taste and smell the next day, got a PCR test and it was positive. If people just wouldn’t fly sick we’d limit exposure more than trying to test.
QXDX
Well-Known Member
There have been about 80 Seroprevalence studies around the world that suggest the infection rate is about 50 times what has tested positive. If that is even half true, pretty much everyone in this country has already had it, statistically speaking.
A Sensible and Compassionate Anti-COVID Strategy
We should respond to the COVID virus rationally: protect the vulnerable, treat the people who get infected compassionately, develop a vaccine. And while doing these things we should bring back the civilization that we had so that the cure does not end up being worse than the disease.
imprimis.hillsdale.edu
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Adler
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I've been paying around $25 per covid test. Annoyingly at the last one in Bishkek, lady actually did both a nose and mouth!
But it's been a huge pain in the ass regardless. Two days prior, the entire day is devoted to taking the test. Hours in line sometimes, in a tiny office with people standing on top of each other, some testing to travel and others because they are coughing like crazy - I'd argue taking the test is more hazardous than regular life.
Picking up the test the next day usually takes just as long. And some places are only accepting tests within 48 hours...and by then you're hosed.
Oh, and here's a cool one:
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Baronman
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The airlines have already come out against domestic testing Requirement. Aside from killing business they’re not in the medical diagnostics business. If some data shows that airplanes are significant spreaders, let’s see it.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Wait, I thought if we wore the mask we were good?
If everyone now is required by law to wear the mask, then there shouldn’t be any problem right?
The problem isn’t the testing, it’s the consequences. See, travel has two legs, from home and to home. If you are out on a trip and pop positive, you’re stuck for up to 14 days. At its mildest form, that’s a huge inconvenience and expense, and at its worst, completely undoable.
So why just air travel? Set up checkpoints on the state borders? County? Are you going to require it on bus service? On the train? Are your papers in order?
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Down CUN way, they’re just letting you stay if you pop positive on the return apparently.
Or, as they say on Letterkenny, “figger it out.”