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jynxyjoe

jynxyjoe

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Alright I'm doing another recommendation for another pilot for Frontier, apparently ATI isn't the hotness it was and you're the new hot thing.

I know some of you mooks work there, any tips on how many recommendation letters you need to get through the computer (to then get to the interview) or is this like ATI where you just say the guys name three times to the CP and his app gets pulled? Also any buzz words I need to include on the airline pilot app thing?
 
sorry to hear about ATI...

...the only LOR's we can give officially (as F9 pilots) are through Airline Apps, the Silver Bullet which guaranteed an interview are gone as of 2019. Not sure how much weight we have if we walk into the CP office and give a resume.

as for the interview, I will ask and get back to you. It's been since March 2020 since they had any and I'm sure the process has changed[again].
 
CFIT99 said:
sorry to hear about ATI...

...the only LOR's we can give officially are through Airline Apps, the Silver Bullet which guaranteed an interview are gone as of 2019.

as for the interview, I will ask and get back to you. It's been since March 2020 since they had any and I'm sure the process has changed[again].
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Oh I'm just joking, ATI is probably still hot, but you get this wave of guys from an old company wanting to go to "new name airline" then another place opens and its that name airline. I'm just gonna write it up.

United used to tell guys you get 20 recommendations you max out the points you can get for the system. Since I'm paid and nothing to do I'm a recommendation letter clearinghouse while my daughter is in fake school.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Oh I'm just joking, ATI is probably still hot, but you get this wave of guys from an old company wanting to go to "new name airline" then another place opens and its that name airline. I'm just gonna write it up.

United used to tell guys you get 20 recommendations you max out the points you can get for the system. Since I'm paid and nothing to do I'm a recommendation letter clearinghouse while my daughter is in fake school.
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Lol, you wait man, if you're not at a legacy yet this is gonna be your life for all your old FO's you bought beer for and thought you were cool. The first year of a legacy is just writing recommendation letters for your old FO's and some of the captains you were close friends with. It's slowed down but now it's crazy again, everyone wants out of their regional because it'll never get better apparently.

It will when all the FO's leave and EDV gets more planes again.
 
What’s up with Frontier’s ATP flight school flow through they just announced?
 
It's probably more around some sort of payoff that helps Frontier. For example, UPS has an internship program with Amflight. Be a low paid intern at UPS, go to amflight, build your time, guaranteed an interview at UPS. Most likely you'll get hired. I have no problem with any of this other than at the bottom end it encourages/enables a sort of servitude early on in the process. Creates a situation where the better applicants aren't considered because they didn't play the game. Just my opinion....
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
I'm hearing that with the ATP, Frontier deal, you're on the hook for the type and maybe even the ATP.
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On the hook for the ATP CTP course it looks like it. The type rating though, no. Company pays for your type as you get that in training at Frontier. Looks like the cost of an ATP CTP course is about $3,500-$5,000 depending where you go. That’s a small price to pay to make the jump from CFI to A320 FO honestly. It makes sense too because Frontier does not offer an ATP CTP course as they usually hire people who already have an ATP.
 
I think that despite the current speed bump most of us are experiencing, the overall outlook for the industry is still pretty good. I read that there are over 20,000 ATP rated pilot hitting age 65 over the next 5-7 years. So the inherent issue airlines were facing in February 2020 will likely be back in a big way within just 2-3 years. Airlines know this and so I think we’ll continue to see more of these pipeline programs continue to pop up.

As for Frontier, I’d say it’s likely the same as many places hiring recently... At least 3 internal recs, 5,000+ total time, 1,000+ TPIC, leadership role (LCA, Management Pilot, ALPA Chairman) and/or military service. That’s not official or anything, just seems to be more the norm than otherwise right now. I interviewed at Kalitta last year and that was what they were “unofficially” looking for.

My interview group at Kalitta was:
-5 x ExPats with 76 or 77 TPIC.
-1 x Delta early out with heavy time
-1 x Navy IP
-3 x XJT pilots (2 LCA, 1 was 20,000+ TT)
-4 x regional Captains (all ALPA Chairmen and 1 regular line pilot).
 
chrisreedrules said:
I think that despite the current speed bump most of us are experiencing, the overall outlook for the industry is still pretty good. I read that there are over 20,000 ATP rated pilot hitting age 65 over the next 5-7 years. So the inherent issue airlines were facing in February 2020 will likely be back in a big way within just 2-3 years. Airlines know this and so I think we’ll continue to see more of these pipeline programs continue to pop up.

As for Frontier, I’d say it’s likely the same as many places hiring recently... At least 3 internal recs, 5,000+ total time, 1,000+ TPIC, leadership role (LCA, Management Pilot, ALPA Chairman) and/or military service. That’s not official or anything, just seems to be more the norm than otherwise right now. I interviewed at Kalitta last year and that was what they were “unofficially” looking for.

My interview group at Kalitta was:
-5 x ExPats with 76 or 77 TPIC.
-1 x Delta early out with heavy time
-1 x Navy IP
-3 x XJT pilots (2 LCA, 1 was 20,000+ TT)
-4 x regional Captains (all ALPA Chairmen and 1 regular line pilot).
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Congrats?
 
chrisreedrules said:
I think that despite the current speed bump most of us are experiencing, the overall outlook for the industry is still pretty good. I read that there are over 20,000 ATP rated pilot hitting age 65 over the next 5-7 years. So the inherent issue airlines were facing in February 2020 will likely be back in a big way within just 2-3 years. Airlines know this and so I think we’ll continue to see more of these pipeline programs continue to pop up.

As for Frontier, I’d say it’s likely the same as many places hiring recently... At least 3 internal recs, 5,000+ total time, 1,000+ TPIC, leadership role (LCA, Management Pilot, ALPA Chairman) and/or military service. That’s not official or anything, just seems to be more the norm than otherwise right now. I interviewed at Kalitta last year and that was what they were “unofficially” looking for.

My interview group at Kalitta was:
-5 x ExPats with 76 or 77 TPIC.
-1 x Delta early out with heavy time
-1 x Navy IP
-3 x XJT pilots (2 LCA, 1 was 20,000+ TT)
-4 x regional Captains (all ALPA Chairmen and 1 regular line pilot).
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You at Kalitta now? Very good friend of mine is there, and from everything he says it’s pretty awesome.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Alright I'm doing another recommendation for another pilot for Frontier, apparently ATI isn't the hotness it was and you're the new hot thing.

I know some of you mooks work there, any tips on how many recommendation letters you need to get through the computer (to then get to the interview) or is this like ATI where you just say the guys name three times to the CP and his app gets pulled? Also any buzz words I need to include on the airline pilot app thing?
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Unfortunately, I believe we're in uncharted territory. We haven't hired in a year, of course, and neither has anybody else. How many regionals shut down in that time? Lots of people are looking for work.

Frontier has always been somewhat picky, but one thing I'll say is that resume fluff used to be less important than attitude. For a while, much of the hiring was "stuck" F/Os, a good number from eagle and expressjet. We all pretty much had the same resume. I sacked up and flew to Chicago for a job fair for half a day, abandoning my very-pregnant wife, with another eagle F/O and we both ended up getting hired. Most of my chat at the job fair was talking about being a volunteer mechanic at the local bike share. That's the only thing which set my resume apart from everyone else's. I know, I know, job fair, but don't hate the playa, hate the game. The day and $300 I spent has paid off immensely.

Anyway, Frontier is getting, or was planning to be, a big airline on the next 5 years, and a lot of the old Denver Flying Club norms went out the window. I don't think any of us have a clue how things are going to work going on to the future, especially at this juncture.
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
Congrats?
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No unfortunately I was not offered a position. It was an overall positive experience and everyone was extremely professional and nice though. Seemed like a good company though still very, “mom and pop” feeling. Everything works out though, I had another opportunity outside of aviation arise and if I had taken the job at Kalitta the schedule would have made it tough to fly and focus on that.
 
roundout said:
For a while, much of the hiring was "stuck" F/Os, a good number from eagle and expressjet. We all pretty much had the same resume. I sacked up and flew to Chicago for a job fair for half a day, abandoning my very-pregnant wife, with another eagle F/O and we both ended up getting hired. Most of my chat at the job fair was talking about being a volunteer mechanic at the local bike share. That's the only thing which set my resume apart from everyone else's.
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That's a good analysis and really indicative of the 2015-2019 years, I think you're right in that the requirements going forward will be *much* different. For those on the street or stuck at a regional, it's not easy to be patient and hang tight, but I believe widespread hiring will resume in a year or two (and not with shuttle time req'd).
 
Not everyone goes to 65. For everyone that does there is a guy going at 60. Our average retirement age is 62ish at Brown.
 
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