The Great Jumpseat War of 2019

Kingairer said:
I still don’t get it. Say it’s an AA flight. Dude from RAH just gets done flying AA flights all day and walks over to grab a jumpseat. Allegiant pilot is already there. (It’s that crappy airplane with 1 jumpseat). Why should the allegiant guy get it over a guy that’s been hauling AA passengers all day? He’s going after AA and AAWO, that’s a given, but afterwards it seems logical he’d be given priority over an OAL JS.
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Yea i agree with you and that was my position with the republic/aa spat. I agreed with what republic wanted just not the way they went about it.

I’m talking about the United deal here. Just going straight to the nuclear/ deny jumpseat position is insane.
 
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Kingairer said:
I still don’t get it. Say it’s an AA flight. Dude from RAH just gets done flying AA flights all day and walks over to grab a jumpseat. Allegiant pilot is already there. (It’s that crappy airplane with 1 jumpseat). Why should the allegiant guy get it over a guy that’s been hauling AA passengers all day? He’s going after AA and AAWO, that’s a given, but afterwards it seems logical he’d be given priority over an OAL JS.
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If they signed the agreement, this scenario wouldn't be a problem now would it?
 
Kingairer said:
I still don’t get it. Say it’s an AA flight. Dude from RAH just gets done flying AA flights all day and walks over to grab a jumpseat. Allegiant pilot is already there. (It’s that crappy airplane with 1 jumpseat). Why should the allegiant guy get it over a guy that’s been hauling AA passengers all day? He’s going after AA and AAWO, that’s a given, but afterwards it seems logical he’d be given priority over an OAL JS.
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We are only OAL because they wanted the jumpseat war. If they signed the agreement your scenario would never happen. Sure dispatchers and "must ride" being above us is odd and might suck. But I feel like that would affect less than 1% of commuters a year....and definitely not worth all of this over that minor point.

I agree with the UAX-E being above the UAX flights...it's fair. We fly for 4 carriers. All rivals. So it's a minor reward for flying exclusively for UAL. It's total fair and also most of them are small regionals on the east coast where SKYW probably isn't fighting for jumps to their domiciles anyways! Maybe a TSA commuter or GoJet (which I thought was pulling out of DEN soon anyways???)....

My 02 cents
 
Jordan93 said:
We’re not allowed to have earbuds in uniform in view of the public according to my FOM. That’s a nah for me. I’m not staring at the ceiling on a 3 hour deadhead
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At all?

In the terminal and walking, I think we’re disallowed, but other than that, it’s ok.
 
tcco94 said:
It's total fair and also most of them are small regionals on the east coast
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One of them was a very large airline before Skywest bought them (two of them technically) and then transferred most of the flying over to the non union pilots at the expense of union pilot jobs. The only thing that save that airline from the second tir status SGU was doing to them was UAL bought them.
 
Richman said:
Karma is harsh mistress...
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For what it’s worth, the dismantling of Compass and reassignment of that DCI flying to SKW isn’t exactly helping create and preserve union jobs either.

Granted, OO pilots should vote in a union; on that you’ll have no argument from me.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
For what it’s worth, the dismantling of Compass and reassignment of that DCI flying to SKW isn’t exactly helping create and preserve union jobs either.
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While you’re not entirely wrong on the loss of union jobs... giving OO 6 airplanes worth of flying (who knows if they actually take the AC or park and get new ones from Brazil) while the other union carrier gets 30 isn’t a large scale loss. Yes it’s a loss, but it could be worse.
 
broncoav8r said:
While you’re not entirely wrong on the loss of union jobs... giving OO 6 airplanes worth of flying (who knows if they actually take the AC or park and get new ones from Brazil) while the other union carrier gets 30 isn’t a large scale loss. Yes it’s a loss, but it could be worse.
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And the order of another 7
 
Autothrust Blue said:
For what it’s worth, the dismantling of Compass and reassignment of that DCI flying to SKW isn’t exactly helping create and preserve union jobs either.

Granted, OO pilots should vote in a union; on that you’ll have no argument from me.
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I haven't been at SkyWest for too long but this has to be as close as we've ever been unioninzing. First there's this whole debacle making line pilots fight their battles and threatening our certificates without any substantial reasoning. The organization of this whole crusade has been laughable but on par with how SAPA operates everything else. The FOM willl change, we will get commuter hotels, we will get employee parking passes. The funniest was about a month ago when one of the better communicators of the SAPA reps said he was disappointed with how slow the company has been to address QOL issues since we signed our TA. Uhhhh ya think? That's why people wanted it addressed at the same time as the TA because that was the only leverage we had.

Also the apathy appears to be at an all time low. I know voter turnout has always been horrible at this company but this just seems like a joke at this point. The current president won his election because the other guy just dropped out. I'm a region 4 pilot and I feel like we've had votes for reps at least once a month for the last half year. Every vote has had less and less participants and this last one that ended last night was won by the incumbent because not one single other pilot even tried to run.

I've signed up for the skywestalpa website but beyond that I don't really have a clue how the whole process works because I don't have any other social media but I hope something happens soon.
 
tcco94 said:
Ordered 7 new, replacing CRJ-900 atmosphere order
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So replacement of another order. K.

So the Compass airplanes were growth at the expense of a union carrier. My point was just that a majority of the Compass frames went to another union (albeit IBT...but thats another conversation). OO swapping out similar sized airframes from one type to another doesn't really factor in the argument, since that flying was 1) going to be done by OO pilots anyway and 2) IIRC was initially a replacement for burnt out RJs that were being retired so again, not important to the "OO Non-union getting Compass Union flying" argument...
 
broncoav8r said:
So replacement of another order. K.

So the Compass airplanes were growth at the expense of a union carrier. My point was just that a majority of the Compass frames went to another union (albeit IBT...but thats another conversation). OO swapping out similar sized airframes from one type to another doesn't really factor in the argument, since that flying was 1) going to be done by OO pilots anyway and 2) IIRC was initially a replacement for burnt out RJs that were being retired so again, not important to the "OO Non-union getting Compass Union flying" argument...
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CRJ'S weren't going west, even a -900 atmosphere. Taking the entire west coast seems like a pretty big shift to me.... You act like Compass runs a 5 plane operation. So yeah he does have a point about flying going to a non-union carrier. No one is even on the west anymore for Delta.
 
tcco94 said:
CRJ'S weren't going west, even a -900 atmosphere. Taking the entire west coast seems like a pretty big shift to me.... You act like Compass runs a 5 plane operation. So yeah he does have a point about flying going to a non-union carrier. No one is even on the west anymore for Delta.
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Just because CP was all out west and 80% of their airplanes went to an east coast carrier doesn’t mean OO gets more airplanes.

Network at the mainline level doesn’t deal in number of frames, they deal in block hours. OO got “6 airplanes” worth of block hours. RP got “30 airplanes” worth. OO will get more west coast flying most likely, but it will come at the expense of east coast hours.

Way more than one way to shuffle flying around.
 
broncoav8r said:
Just because CP was all out west and 80% of their airplanes went to an east coast carrier doesn’t mean OO gets more airplanes.

Network at the mainline level doesn’t deal in number of frames, they deal in block hours. OO got “6 airplanes” worth of block hours. RP got “30 airplanes” worth. OO will get more west coast flying most likely, but it will come at the expense of east coast hours.

Way more than one way to shuffle flying around.
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Fair enough - very true. I thought the GoJet losses would mean more 76 seaters for scope and more orders coming. It appears the other 2 DL regionals are staying East all together. I for sure thought Endeavor would hop on the E175 train and head out west....
 
Derg said:
Considering the 220, i wouldn’t suggest buying a boat based on that recaptured flying
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I thought based on your pairings the average mile per trip (or some statistic of that nature) was showing the 220 doing long routes?

Then again 2 years ago some of the SLC routes on the 7/900 were quite long for "regional" flying...
 
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