The Great Jumpseat War of 2019

JordanD said:
Oh, I base that on nothing other than good luck getting the average OO pilot to disassociate this with ALPA. They all think this is ALPA's doing or the snarky anti union guys are all going on about how this is ALPA's fault or why isn't ALPA doing anything.
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I know. Notice every SAPA infomercial on this issue is riddled with UALPA caused this, called for this, changed the priority in the software.

It does play into the argument most often heard, where we are mere pawns in a conflict of interest with mainline MECs.

Whatever. Cant fix stupid at thus point.

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bLizZuE said:
Does your airline exclusively fly for UAX? You’re exclusive.
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Ok if that's the case, on United Airlines it should be:


UA pilots
UEX that are exclusive UA flying
UEX carriers that are not just UA flying (Skywest, Republic)
OAL


Why is UA lumping UEX with OAL then?

If I show up to jumpseat on a United flight from SFO-DTW, I shouldn't be lumped the same priority as an Alaska guy as a Skywest guy. Though I'll take the leg up advantage, but it still doesn't sound right.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Ok if that's the case, on United Airlines it should be:


UA pilots
UEX that are exclusive UA flying
UEX carriers that are not just UA flying (Skywest, Republic)
OAL


Why is UA lumping UEX with OAL then?

If I show up to jumpseat on a United flight from SFO-DTW, I shouldn't be lumped the same priority as an Alaska guy as a Skywest guy. Though I'll take the leg up advantage, but it still doesn't sound right.
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Because they chose to not sign the deal. Period.
 
bLizZuE said:
I do not personally know of any airline that negotiated pass travel.
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Again.

It should be. It has deteriorated to virtually useless levels, and for someone around the industry as long as I have it is insulting.

Some lower management MBA negotiates a travel package. You, and Delta, and AA and everyone else should too.

When you travel on company business, you should be in a premium cabin. Period. If its unavoidable you should get an override.

When you travel on pleasure, your company should put you above any coach fare auto upgrade, at least. Period. It's your company. You are the United family. You are the brand. There was a time when this was the way it worked. Jumoseats are a unique one off pilots can access, a benefit of our certificates.

ALPA should be working to get the value of the product you provide back for the people who provide it. The fact it has been allowed to deteriorate to this level is unbelievable.

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Ok. There are a lot of “should be’s” that are irrelevant to this discussion.

edit- and to be clear, you’re upset that we are selling seats?
 
From the union.

It has been brought to our attention that the pilot representatives at Republic and Skywest (IBT and SAPA) have posted letters via social media to their pilots encouraging them to start denying United pilots the jumpseat. These letters are filled with misleading and inaccurate information. They also claim that the UAL MEC has been officially notified of their upcoming actions. This is patently false. We have not had any communication with IBT since last December or SAPA since last September when they last threatened to disrupt the United operation.


The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 will become effective on October 15. Please see the Oct 9 MEC update re-posted below for more details. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work.



When we began to research this issue, we discovered that documented jumpseat agreements did not exist between United and the UAX airlines. All eight of our UAX carriers were given new reciprocal jumpseat agreements to sign on May 14, 2019. Within 30 days of receiving the agreements, five of these carriers signed. These new agreements align the UAL/UAX jumpseat boarding priority with industry standard agreements at AA/American Eagle and DAL/Delta Connection. We would like to thank the ALPA represenatives at ARW, CMT, TSA, and XJT for their leadership working with us to improve jumpseat benefits.



There are three remaining UAX carriers that have not yet signed: SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa. Due to this failure to sign, these three carriers technically do not have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with United Airlines. This is contrary to the recent information sent out by the IBT and SAPA. Instead of cutting them off completely, as some believe we should, they were afforded the courtesy of being categorized and prioritized as "other airline."



If and when each of these "non-exclusive" UAX carriers sign the agreement, they will be moved up into a higher boarding priority and join GoJet in the non-exclusive tier. In addition, they would be included in the upcoming UAX electronic check-in/listing and international jumpseating (ICASS) on UAL.



If you are denied a jumpseat at any of the UAX carriers, provide a detailed report via a jumpseat PDR with the carrier, flight number, and date. Include the Captain's name if possible. Please remember to reference the UPA section 21-P Commuter Policy if needed.
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bLizZuE said:
Because they chose to not sign the deal. Period.
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It wasnt really a deal, was it? Maybe an ultimatum? In which case you cant blame them for seeking a different resolution?

Maybe a lot of United pilots using alternative methods to get to/from work...period?

I mean, sure seems that way. Seems silly to me as really all anyone wants is career advancement, security, and time from work....but yeah, if you're coming to me with ultimatums, I might tell you to walk.

As far as I'm concerned I'm not kicking anyone off who would otherwise be eligible, but I'm also not going to play priority games either. You're online, or offline. If southwest guy shows up before Air Wisconsin, UAL or otherwise, they'd better hope there is a seat kn the back and ride on passes they didnt negotiate. Period.

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Should have said, reciprocal jumpseat agreement. Read the union update. There wasn’t actually an agreement in place.
 
Cazadores said:
...but yeah, if you're coming to me with ultimatums, I might tell you to walk.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Dammit, @bLizZuE, why won’t you let this guy at another airline dictate to you what you are supposed to negotiate? You’re so mean. ;)
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Yeah, I dont know meme guy, suggesting an employee group make a stand to management on a deteriorating benefit, whether he wants to or not, seems reasonable. I could go on for hours about it, trust me, United makes a ton of money putting him in the back and his family in the terminal or on UAdiscount. My argument is he should get some of it. Money or status. I'd be quite the firebrand on the issue in Herndon.

As far as a bold strategy, it really isn't one. I've already said I am not leaving an eligible pilot behind regardless what any SAPA sycophant says. You're either online or offline. Order of check in. However if you make an ultimatum most people will take what is theirs, even if it is insignificant, and walk. Its what's happening here...it might be myopic, it might work, either way, its predictable.

Every United pilot I encounter is professional, courteous and worthy of respect. I grew up with them. My feeling is the vast majority didnt even know about this issue or changes. I gather the vast majority of express pilots at the regional airlines not exclusive wish they could care less, too.

It's a shame, really, it's being made into this ridiculous nonsense. We are pilots, we should be helping and respecting pilots.

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