Single pilot 797
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Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Boeing said the Max was good to go....soooo.....
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Buy rental property. Make your backup a passive income stream. Although I’d say you’re unlikely to lose your career due to automation during your lifetime.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
The irony of companies that can't get an AOA indicator right talking about pilotless planes is not lost on me. That said irony is informed by logic, and the last 5 years of geopolitics, extreme capitalism and technology has informed me that logic has no place in the human experience as we move "forward" or sideways or backwards toward feudalism or whatever we're headed toward.
That's one of the plans, that said I think people in their 30s will absolutely be affected.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Sadly the fact is that the pilots didn't exactly improve the situation in this previous two crashes.
I wonder if there were any other instances where the pilots fixed the issue themselves. I hevent read up on this enough to know.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
They were put in a lose lose situation, they weren't able manually trim fast enough to overcome where the system set the trim. They reconnected in a last ditch effort to save. The pilots are absolved as far as I'm concerned.
nibake
Powder hound
Suppose single pilot 797 is better than no pilot airbus. I’m 35 and doubt I’ll finish my career actually inside an airplane but that’s just me. More reason to diversify your income
AP Interview: Airbus is ready for pilotless jets - are you?
LE BOURGET, France (AP) — The chief salesman for Airbus says his company already has the technology to fly passenger planes without pilots at all — and is working on winning over regulators and travelers to the idea.apnews.com
JCers: The 737 is a dinosaur from ancient history
Also JCers: New tech is going to take away our jobs
Almost 60 years since the dawn of the 737 there are still FEs. The 737, imo, was the beginning of the end for FEs, but it has taken more than 60 years to "kill them off."
If you are 30 now, and you decide to go to a major, twenty years from now you should have enough seniority that if single pilot airliners start to encroach on your work, you will be upstream of the pain. And twenty years is wildly optimistic. Last time it took nearly a half a century.
I, too, am in my 30s, and a late starter in aviation. I'm not remotely worried about automation ruining my career path.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
How many as a percentage in comparison to the "Glory days?"
Barely any. You've got Lynden in the C130, Everts in the DC6, and a few broke-dick jet operators and a smattering here and there.
Meanwhile navigators are totally dead as a species. There's not even a way to get the certificate any more.
Automation is coming, the second it is cheaper to remove a pilot than install a piece of equipment the companies will make it happen. They'd be dumb not to.
nibake
Powder hound
FIFY.
Sure we could see work started soon, but I am not concerned about it hurting me in the 30 years I have left, because it's just a gradual process, and we are in the first phases. My point about FEs is that they died out slowly over more than half a century. The biggest question is going to be when these airliners start to roll out of the assembly line, what are new pilots to do then? Most of us are way beyond that point now.
Let's imagine I'm completely wrong and jobs start getting serious chipped away 10 years from now. I can still do so much with the amount of money I can make in ten good years at a major that I'm still not worried about it.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
I have a lot of C-130 Nav buddies that would like to have some words with you. Kidding of course.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Some Fed should be able to do it. I always thought it'd be a fun one.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
We generally don't get to hear about a lot of near misses, because the standard response to "maybe we should file an ASAP" is often "well but we didn't break any rules."
z987k
Well-Known Member
Well that and the ASAP program is a black hole. You'd never see public statistics of things like that come out of it. And despite all evidence to the contrary, the FAA will say - nope haven't seen any reports on that while sitting on 500 reports of it happening.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Yeah.
So you're left with sensational public disclosures (which don't generally work), kicking it up the chain of command (which might work, but beware), or simply living with it.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I admit I will likely be submitting less ASAPs in the future due to recent stuff I learned at my airline. ASAP isn't as clean as it sounds.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
I'd quote books to you on this topic except you aren't the one who needs to hear it - your bosses are.
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
I don’t understand this argument about Flight Engineers. A FE is basically just a human computer doing routine tasks. Of course they were removed, that’s something computers can perform very easily, and have done so for several decades.
Removing the 2nd pilot is a MUCH bigger deal. First of all, they’re a pilot, not a FE. Second, modern training, TEM techniques, and just the plain old “hey, does this look right to you?” are not concepts that can easily be replaced by a computer. All of the talk about AI really hasn’t come anywhere close to what a human can do with abstract concepts and problem solving.
Not sure why were even listening to what a regional airline dispatcher thinks about this. No offense, you guys have an important job. But you have absolutely no idea what I’m dealing with on a 4 day trip.
Removing the 2nd pilot is a MUCH bigger deal. First of all, they’re a pilot, not a FE. Second, modern training, TEM techniques, and just the plain old “hey, does this look right to you?” are not concepts that can easily be replaced by a computer. All of the talk about AI really hasn’t come anywhere close to what a human can do with abstract concepts and problem solving.
Not sure why were even listening to what a regional airline dispatcher thinks about this. No offense, you guys have an important job. But you have absolutely no idea what I’m dealing with on a 4 day trip.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Honestly I love the idea of ASAP and at a different company I would be glad to return to filing ASAPs as I have in the past. Trust is a big factor in the ASAP world.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
@Autothrust Blue Maurus and I both work at the same company and he is spot on, I can't imagine working for a set of more untrustworthy flight safety managers than our current shop, the stuff I've learned in the last 18 months about so many of the processes at our shop is frankly horrifying, and the erosion of trust on the side of the average line pilot is warranted.
