Delta Psychological Eval Lawsuit?

[Autothrust Blue]

I’d spend decent coin on interview prep. A couple grand on a nice suit and interview prep to get the job of a lifetime is a pretty good investment.

What sort of uncouth knucklehead gets to age 25 and doesn't have at least one suit anyway?

(oh, interview prep is useful. once.)

 

[Jordan93]

What sort of uncouth knucklehead gets to age 25 and doesn't have at least one suit anyway?

(oh, interview prep is useful. once.)

I’ve got one. Not a nice one though!

 

[ASpilot2be]

I need a new brain.

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Do you guys do some sort of personality assessment?

I had one HR (the Senior Manager, Talent Acquisition herself) and one pilot (FLL chief) for my interview panel. I'm leery of not having HR in the room because pilots are literally stupid on occasion, and HR types are frequently better equipped to suss out who is likely to be an HR issue.

There was a personality assessment. They say it doesn’t count unless the decision is split on the selection panel.

 

[ASpilot2be]

What sort of uncouth knucklehead gets to age 25 and doesn't have at least one suit anyway?

(oh, interview prep is useful. once.)

I don’t think I had an actual suit until I was 29. Never needed one until that point.

 

[derg]

I had one in college.

I think it’s generational. Suits meant business in those days. Now I don’t know if you’re going snowboarding or expect me to take you seriously when you talk to me about diversifying my mutual fund.

 

[phill1174]

I’d spend decent coin on interview prep. A couple grand on a nice suit and interview prep to get the job of a lifetime is a pretty good investment.

Most definitely, I’m not saying be cheap and not prepare. My gripe with interview prep is that some places seem to teaching people how to give canned answers from what I hear.

 

[GypsyPilot]

Most definitely, I’m not saying be cheap and not prepare. My gripe with interview prep is that some places seem to teaching people how to give canned answers from what I hear.

Time to find better prep companies then. I used Cage and EC, and they absolutely do not have you use canned answers. Like anything else, prior research is paramount for a good outcome.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

Yeah I think you're right about that. My understanding of the Hogan for United is they had their ideal 20 or 30 captains all take the test to create a data cluster and every applicant that takes it has to fall somewhere within that cluster.

You understand that's egregious discrimination, right? That's like the newly-hired company president who, first order of biz, made everyone to his third-tier reporting level take the MBTI. Then he fired everyone who didn't score the same type code as he did.

Further, it's well known by qualified, disinterested judges that personality tests are invalid and unreliable. With some few exeptions, the use of personality tests in regard to hiring and/or promotion is malpractice...at best.

I think airlines and nuclear facilities and the plumbers' guild should consider hiring only those who test positive for a Gryffindor affiliation-by-hat.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

Most definitely, I’m not saying be cheap and not prepare. My gripe with interview prep is that some places seem to teaching people how to give canned answers from what I hear.

You mean like marketing organizations seem to be teaching people to buy that car or this hamburger?

Folks, if you were born after 1960, your ability to exercise any real free will is severely in question. If you were born after 2000, you likely possess no free will whatsoever. But you sure are taught to feel like you do. Blue pill or red pill?

 

[Bob Ridpath]

You mean like marketing organizations seem to be teaching people to buy that car or this hamburger?

Folks, if you were born after 1960, your ability to exercise any real free will is severely in question. If you were born after 2000, you likely possess no free will whatsoever. But you sure are taught to feel like you do. Blue pill or red pill?

In under the wire (1954)

Of course, it also means I’ll see a lot fewer sunsets, so there’s that ...

 

[derg]

You mean like marketing organizations seem to be teaching people to buy that car or this hamburger?

Folks, if you were born after 1960, your ability to exercise any real free will is severely in question. If you were born after 2000, you likely possess no free will whatsoever. But you sure are taught to feel like you do. Blue pill or red pill?

I was born relatively in between, told that Sara Jessica Parker was attractive but never subscribed to that.

 

[Bob Ridpath]

I was born relatively in between, told that Sara Jessica Parker was attractive but never subscribed to that.

You were correct.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

There was a personality assessment. They say it doesn’t count unless the decision is split on the selection panel.

Preposterous, they have that exactly backwards. You do the easy discriminators first and THEN bring someone in for face to face.

Time to find better prep companies then. I used Cage and EC, and they absolutely do not have you use canned answers. Like anything else, prior research is paramount for a good outcome.

I learned a lot about fighter drags from LIEUTENANT Colonel Hagan.

I don’t think I had an actual suit until I was 29. Never needed one until that point.

How unfortunate.

 

[Stryker172]

You understand that's egregious discrimination, right? That's like the newly-hired company president who, first order of biz, made everyone to his third-tier reporting level take the MBTI. Then he fired everyone who didn't score the same type code as he did.

Further, it's well known by qualified, disinterested judges that personality tests are invalid and unreliable. With some few exeptions, the use of personality tests in regard to hiring and/or promotion is malpractice...at best.

I think airlines and nuclear facilities and the plumbers' guild should consider hiring only those who test positive for a Gryffindor affiliation-by-hat.

I'm not a recruiter or HR. I didn't make the rules.

 

[Stryker172]

Theres now pilots crashing Airbus' into mountains in Europe and FA's stealing beer, pulling evac slides on their way out of quitting, we could use a few more of these evals. Trust me, people are very good at hiding their crazy. You don't want these people around you at FL410 anywhere near the controls when the wheels decide its time to come off.

I'm not sure how a question like 'I want to go scuba diving' exposes someones crazy. It takes more than just a 30 minute agree/disagree self test to determine if someone is going to pull the slide or fly into the side of a mountain. I think its more about 'do I want to spend 4 days locked in a tiny room with this person until they retire?'

 

[Deleted member 27505]

There was a personality assessment. They say it doesn’t count unless the decision is split on the selection panel.

I be more apt to vote against a pilot who spilt on the electrical panel than a pilot who split the selection panel.

 

[trafficinsight]

You understand that's egregious discrimination, right? That's like the newly-hired company president who, first order of biz, made everyone to his third-tier reporting level take the MBTI. Then he fired everyone who didn't score the same type code as he did.

Further, it's well known by qualified, disinterested judges that personality tests are invalid and unreliable. With some few exeptions, the use of personality tests in regard to hiring and/or promotion is malpractice...at best.

I think airlines and nuclear facilities and the plumbers' guild should consider hiring only those who test positive for a Gryffindor affiliation-by-hat.

And Hufflepuff gets screwed again.

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[ppragman]

You mean like marketing organizations seem to be teaching people to buy that car or this hamburger?

Folks, if you were born after 1960, your ability to exercise any real free will is severely in question. If you were born after 2000, you likely possess no free will whatsoever. But you sure are taught to feel like you do. Blue pill or red pill?

What's the use of free will when I can have Brawndo?! It doesn't tell me what to think!

I'm not sure how a question like 'I want to go scuba diving' exposes someones crazy. It takes more than just a 30 minute agree/disagree self test to determine if someone is going to pull the slide or fly into the side of a mountain. I think its more about 'do I want to spend 4 days locked in a tiny room with this person until they retire?'

Not to be a dick or anything, but the answer to "do I want to spend 4 days locked in a tiny room with this person until they retire?" is almost always, "no."

For the most part - myself included - us pilot types are pretty straight laced and boring. Even the ones who aren't weird or some sort of high functioning sociopath have similar enough life stories so that it's kind of lame to sit next to them.

If I'm going to be trapped in a pressurized metal tube with someone, they should at least be kind of interesting, or talk about interesting things (cue Livin' the Dream video). The vast majority of pilots I know talk about a few things: flying (which is fine, we have that in common, but maybe we could talk about some of the finer points instead of just complaining about things), they bitch about the company/their job/flying/their station in life, how they're going to get rich quick, or they worry incessantly about the flight.

Very rarely I'll sit next to someone who's done other things in their life or has some truly profound wisdom to learn from, or has a diverse educational background in something completely different than aviation who's passions lie outside the cockpit and it's really nice.

As a whole, we're pretty boring as pilots. I suppose that's a good thing, but yeah, it makes for long trips.

 

[gotWXdagain]

I don't remember "would you murder a plane load of people" being anywhere on AA or Spirit's fit assessments.

 

[Jordan93]

What's the use of free will when I can have Brawndo?! It doesn't tell me what to think!



Not to be a dick or anything, but the answer to "do I want to spend 4 days locked in a tiny room with this person until they retire?" is almost always, "no."

For the most part - myself included - us pilot types are pretty straight laced and boring. Even the ones who aren't weird or some sort of high functioning sociopath have similar enough life stories so that it's kind of lame to sit next to them.

If I'm going to be trapped in a pressurized metal tube with someone, they should at least be kind of interesting, or talk about interesting things (cue Livin' the Dream video). The vast majority of pilots I know talk about a few things: flying (which is fine, we have that in common, but maybe we could talk about some of the finer points instead of just complaining about things), they bitch about the company/their job/flying/their station in life, how they're going to get rich quick, or they worry incessantly about the flight.

Very rarely I'll sit next to someone who's done other things in their life or has some truly profound wisdom to learn from, or has a diverse educational background in something completely different than aviation who's passions lie outside the cockpit and it's really nice.

As a whole, we're pretty boring as pilots. I suppose that's a good thing, but yeah, it makes for long trips.

Sometimes silence is the best conversation, especially before 8am