But did you die?

ATN_Pilot said:
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Nope... because, isn't that how you gain altitude???
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Apparently they're going on the assumption that you don't wait for for the engines to spool up first. An odd assumption, but hey, they are Airbus systems managers, so you can't expect too much from them. ;)
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To be fair, doesn't that take like 20 minutes on the DC-9? :P
 
BobDDuck said:
Was that an early version design feature? I'm pretty sure alpha floor activates regardless of the autothrust being engaged or not.

I also read somewhere that due to the fact that they had planned to align and overfly the wrong runway and the angle they approached the correct runway from, the trees at the end appeared to be a different type of grass and they had no idea that there was anything of height in that location.
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Correct. Autothrust has to be "available." Ie not mel'd or in N1 mode etc...

@ATN_Pilot how many backorders are their for the DC-9-1,000,000 or whatever the last one was...?

Any "airline" pilot today, claiming to fly a "real pilots airplane" is delusional.
 
Nark said:
Any "airline" pilot today, claiming to fly a "real pilots airplane" is delusional.
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That's right up there with "a man's man" as far as meaningless terms. People manage to suck at even highly automated airplanes. It's all about how you operate the airplane you have with the systems at hand.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Ask Delta. They're trying to snatch up every last one of them they can get their hands on.
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Sadly that's not because they are good but rather because they are cheap. And I'd guess once the C Series starts kicking it's ass on fuel numbers, they won't be nearly as in demand.

And keep in mind, this is coming from somebody who flew the thing for 5 years and already knows it will be the most awesome airplane I've ever flown (but certainly not the most awesome to eat a crew meal in).
 
BobDDuck said:
Sadly that's not because they are good but rather because they are cheap. And I'd guess once the C Series starts kicking it's ass on fuel numbers, they won't be nearly as in demand.

And keep in mind, this is coming from somebody who flew the thing for 5 years and already knows it will be the most awesome airplane I've ever flown (but certainly not the most awesome to eat a crew meal in).
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The fact 95% of your flights were probably 25 minutes max and you got crew meals depresses me. Got to love an 11 hour duty day at the regionals that's all quick turns with no food, but you served your sentence. :p
 
JordanD said:
The fact 95% of your flights were probably 25 minutes max and you got crew meals depresses me. Got to love an 11 hour duty day at the regionals that's all quick turns with no food, but you served your sentence. :p
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We didn't get crew meals there... I meant more trying to eat dinner during the 5 minutes we were above 10,000... compared to eating dinner, on a nice tray table, during the 5 hours I have above 10,000 on a crossing.

The funny thing is, in 5 years inter island I filed maybe 1 grievance and had one schedule change. 3 months into transpac I've had a bunch of schedule changes and filed about 5 grievances. Today, we are delayed 4 hours which necessitates another grew deadheading over to take our flight back in the morning to stay on time which means I get to deadhead (on Spirit!) to catch our late fight out of LA to get home. Change is good but... painful.

ATN_Pilot said:
I rest my case. :)
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You seem to be confusing "fun to fly" with "comfortable, quiet and pays well".
 
BobDDuck said:
JordanD said:
The fact 95% of your flights were probably 25 minutes max and you got crew meals depresses me. Got to love an 11 hour duty day at the regionals that's all quick turns with no food, but you served your sentence. :p
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We didn't get crew meals there... I meant more trying to eat dinner during the 5 minutes we were above 10,000... compared to eating dinner, on a nice tray table, during the 5 hours I have above 10,000 on a crossing.

The funny thing is, in 5 years inter island I filed maybe 1 grievance and had one schedule change. 3 months into transpac I've had a bunch of schedule changes and filed about 5 grievances. Today, we are delayed 4 hours which necessitates another grew deadheading over to take our flight back in the morning to stay on time which means I get to deadhead (on Spirit!) to catch our late fight out of LA to get home. Change is good but... painful.

ATN_Pilot said:
I rest my case. :)
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You seem to be confusing "fun to fly" with "comfortable, quiet and pays well".
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Eh, at least you can file a grievance. Rather than "that's the way we've always done it!"
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Nope... because, isn't that how you gain altitude???
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No, not a few knots above stall speed. If the wing doesn't have any energy in it, and you don't have any power, the only way you can climb is by spooling up the engines, which from idle thrust can take up to 7 seconds.

So if you're at 50' and have just enough power to maintain altitude, it can take a while for the engine to spool up to give you more airspeed, which allows you to climb.

If you mash the thrust levers and pull back like you're in a Cessna, it'll stall.
 
jtrain609 said:
No, not a few knots above stall speed. If the wing doesn't have any energy in it, and you don't have any power, the only way you can climb is by spooling up the engines, which from idle thrust can take up to 7 seconds.

So if you're at 50' and have just enough power to maintain altitude, it can take a while for the engine to spool up to give you more airspeed, which allows you to climb.

If you mash the thrust levers and pull back like you're in a Cessna, it'll stall.
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Gotcha! Only ever flown a Cessna. Thanks for the explanation.
 
Nark said:
Correct. Autothrust has to be "available." Ie not mel'd or in N1 mode etc...

@ATN_Pilot how many backorders are their for the DC-9-1,000,000 or whatever the last one was...?

Any "airline" pilot today, claiming to fly a "real pilots airplane" is delusional.
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I don't think that that is a fair assessment. There are no more MD-90's, because Boeing didn't want to compete with the 737. MD was actually in the process of designing a stretched MD-90 before the merger.
 
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