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Yeah, I was mixing a little fruit punch with that one.
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nibake
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When you say this, I assume the "wild claim" you are referencing is the idea that all matter came from nothing, contrary to scientific law?
Naw, atheism isn't science. It's a belief system. I'm sorry you can't extrapolate those two ideas in your mind. You keep reverting from philosophy to science as if you think it is synonymous with atheism.
My dad was a staunch Southern Baptist.
My mom is a card carrying atheist.
Lemme see the math on this!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I don't know anyone who claims this. If you're referring to the Big Bang, the Big Bang began with a singularity. Not "nothing." Where the singularity orgininated is an as-yet unanswered question. In science, as opposed to belief in magical middle eastern sky fairies, we wait for evidence before conclusions are made.
bucksmith
Did you lock the doors?
Ah yes, like those global warming religious zealots that are always knocking on my door.
Sorry, low hanging fruit, couldn't resist the apple.
NickH
Uber Driver
When you say this, I assume the "wild claim" you are referencing is the idea that all matter came from nothing, contrary to scientific law?
Naw, atheism isn't science. It's a belief system. I'm sorry you can't extrapolate those two ideas in your mind. You keep reverting from philosophy to science as if you think it is synonymous with atheism.
To the first point, yes, that's a wild claim, you're obviously going for the Big Bang, and following the usual lack of understanding of what the big bang describes, and current theories (That's scientific theory, a phrase you also likely don't understand) which explain why it occurred.
Atheism is an absence of belief. To say it's a belief system is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
When you say this, I assume the "wild claim" you are referencing is the idea that all matter came from nothing, contrary to scientific law?
Naw, atheism isn't science. It's a belief system. I'm sorry you can't extrapolate those two ideas in your mind. You keep reverting from philosophy to science as if you think it is synonymous with atheism.
These guys, the American Atheists, would disagree with you.
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/
“Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.”
NickH
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Actually there is a good answer to the question of how that singularity originated, although we shift in to the kind of quantum physics that are beyond most people, and certainly beyond what I'd be willing to take a stab at explaining on a message board with my own limited understanding.
tlove482
Well-Known Member
The belief that the big bang even occurred requires faith. Noone can prove that it happened. It's just a theory.
It's a scientific fact that the universe is rapidly expanding.
NickH
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If, by 'just a theory' you mean 'the best possible explanation supported by all the evidence we're seen and every experiment we've conducted', then yes, it's just a theory. If, by 'just a theory' you mean the idiot creationist usage of the phrase, that a 'theory' is somehow not particularly valid. Then I would remind you that gravity is 'just a theory' and invite you to float the **** away.
Boris Badenov
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It's been a while since I literally lulled at something on the computer. Well, now it hasn't.
tlove482
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I'm saying that you can prove gravity exists. Drop anything and it's going down. Proving that the big bang occurred is much harder to do, if even possible at all. Since you can't go back in time to see it, it's impossible to prove. Sent from my BTV-W09 using Tapatalk
tlove482
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That is pretty funny. Sent from my BTV-W09 using Tapatalk
But it's not going down. It's going, very roughly, in the direction of the core of the gravity well.
NickH
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See the theory of gravity has advanced a little beyond 'things fall to earth'. That's kind of a Newtonian idea. The best possible explanation now is General Relativity, which happens to also the basis for the Big Bang. So if 'things fall to earth' proves General Relativity to be true, then it also proves the Big Bang to be true.
tlove482
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I would love to debate you in person. You seem so well educated on the issue. I don't think I'll ever agree with you on this though. I don't think that you logic is "proof". It just explains why it should be true. Sent from my BTV-W09 using Tapatalk
Roger Roger
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This went even weirder than the usual thread drift.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
This sounds like a challenge.
nibake
Powder hound
Now I don't want to let this thread go just because I can't wait to see what new attributes these "sky fairies" acquire! I feel like there should be a song: "Magical, mystical, middle eastern sky fairiiiiiiiiiiiies..."