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Questions: Why do people NOT get bent when Billionaires engage elected officials to force taxpayers to pay for sports stadia? Why DO people get bent when corporations benefit from governments that support the creation of jobs around the creation of good products??
Many do. To play devil’s advocate, do “stadia” not create jobs? Alternatively are airplanes outside of pilot circles always considered “good products”? .... I don’t care. Should government build airports? Any billionaires own any aviation businesses? :)
 
Many do. To play devil’s advocate, do “stadia” not create jobs? Alternatively are airplanes outside of pilot circles always considered “good products”? .... I don’t care. Should government build airports? Any billionaires own any aviation businesses? :)
I've seen some good research that shows building stadiums is actually a negative return on money for the local economy.
 
Questions: Why do people NOT get bent when Billionaires engage elected officials to force taxpayers to pay for sports stadia? Why DO people get bent when corporations benefit from governments that support the creation of jobs around the creation of good products??

You mean like that time in San Diego last year when voters told the Chargers to eff off because they wouldn't pay for a new stadium? Any time I've heard of a taxpayer funded stadium proposal it's always met with a lot of backlash. But the billionaires have the money for the campaign contributions.
 
I've seen some good research that shows building stadiums is actually a negative return on money for the local economy.
And I’ve seen “good research” that shows building airports leads to burning fossil fuels by the metric buttload, which is theoretically bad for the environment. I also have friends who opened a bar near a stadium and they make hay while the sun shines. I think I’ll go with I’ll be out burning some fossil fuels in the sky tomorrow, going absolutely nowhere, and not worrying about the stadiums. Maybe one of the bar owners will want some flight lessons. Ha.
 
And I’ve seen “good research” that shows building airports leads to burning fossil fuels by the metric buttload, which is theoretically bad for the environment. I also have friends who opened a bar near a stadium and they make hay while the sun shines. I think I’ll go with I’ll be out burning some fossil fuels in the sky tomorrow, going absolutely nowhere, and not worrying about the stadiums. Maybe one of the bar owners will want some flight lessons. Ha.
Localities give so many subsidies and tax breaks that it actually costs money to have the stadium there. Yes, some local businesses will make money but in total, the overall cost is negative.
 
Localities give so many subsidies and tax breaks that it actually costs money to have the stadium there. Yes, some local businesses will make money but in total, the overall cost is negative.
And? Our entire Federal government is operating in the red. People want that. We haven’t been affording our lifestyle in my lifetime. ‘Merica loves debt. I like airports, other people like stadiums. Oh well. My glass house looks a lot like theirs. For the record, I have zero personal debt, and am fine if folks want goooooberment to operate the same way. But I don’t see that happening in my lifetime. The Ponzi scheme that most folks want, and think is normal, will operate until after I’m dead, I figure.
 
Localities give so many subsidies and tax breaks that it actually costs money to have the stadium there. Yes, some local businesses will make money but in total, the overall cost is negative.

Don't we have someone here who would author such research? Someone who might actually deal with these issues on a daily basis? Why...why yes! I think we do!

@Murdoughnut, to the rescue!
 
And? Our entire Federal government is operating in the red. People want that. We haven’t been affording our lifestyle in my lifetime. ‘Merica loves debt. I like airports, other people like stadiums. Oh well. My glass house looks a lot like theirs. For the record, I have zero personal debt, and am fine if folks want goooooberment to operate the same way. But I don’t see that happening in my lifetime. The Ponzi scheme that most folks want, and think is normal, will operate until after I’m dead, I figure.

Sovereign debt is an illusion.
 
Sovereign debt is an illusion.
I do understand your point, but most folks who are expecting checks from the sovereign tend to get a little cranky when said sovereign doesn’t write their pension checks. :) On a larger scale, Greece tested that, and found folks didn’t quite let them off on their politician’s promises.
 
I do understand your point, but most folks who are expecting checks from the sovereign tend to get a little cranky when said sovereign doesn’t write their pension checks. :) On a larger scale, Greece tested that, and found folks didn’t quite let them off on their politician’s promises.

Greece isn't a large enough state to pull off something like that, and the point is to not pay other COUNTRIES, not your citizens.

Another country that isn't a nuclear power, at least. I'm not sure telling China off would end very well for us.
 
I do understand your point, but most folks who are expecting checks from the sovereign tend to get a little cranky when said sovereign doesn’t write their pension checks. :) On a larger scale, Greece tested that, and found folks didn’t quite let them off on their politician’s promises.

In a normal world Greece would've let their currency inflate making it cheap to do business there. The influx of jobs would right size their ship and things would be good again.

What happened with Greece is their currency was controlled by the EU which didn't let normal economic forces happen. That is the same fate that awaits our cities and states.

Localities generally can't print their own money anymore, so eventually Detroit happens or more recently Puerto Rico.

I did see CA issued IOU's at one point which I found comical.
 
I did see CA issued IOU's at one point which I found comical.
Heh. Yeah. A friend didn’t find it too comical that he needed to pay payroll with them. As it relates to the thread, though, to keep it on topic, Boeing’s main problem seems to be that our government won’t go quite as much into the Citizen’s pockets for them as their European competitor’s governments will. So essentially Europeans are willing to fight debt with more debt. Ha. Big game of chicken and floating really big checks. I’m not sure where this “normal world” you suggested exists somewhere, is located. I’m pretty sure it’s right here. Corrupt governments and monetary games is pretty normal in most of human history, at least since currency was created.
 
Greece isn't a large enough state to pull off something like that, and the point is to not pay other COUNTRIES, not your citizens. Another country that isn't a nuclear power, at least. I'm not sure telling China off would end very well for us.
Greece paid neither, and government supported the banks rationing cash for a period of time to their Citizens as well. ... China has much easier ways to cripple us than shooting at us with nukes or any other munitions. It’d take us quite a while to rebuild our electronics manufacturing infrastructure if they just embargoed us, for example. And their Citizens wouldn’t likely complain too loudly about the loss of revenue for fear they’d be shot, since they really don’t have any qualms about that. Plus they’d be doing it because we didn’t pay, in this hypothetical “sovereign debt is meaningless” scenario. Meaning, if we weren’t paying, other sovereigns who were paying, would be in full support of said embargo. ... Chinese investors completed their purchase of Diamond Aircraft, I hear. As a related “aside”. ... Europe/Airbus wants to beat us. Brazil doesn’t want us. China doesn’t need us. China has bought up most of the US aircraft manufacturers of old and new. And our citizenry isn’t big on subsidizing them at the level European politicians can get their citizenry to agree to. ... Makes life “entertaining” for Boeing, I guess. (By the way “...” is where a paragraph break should go, but tapatalk is broken here.)
 
Greece paid neither, and government supported the banks rationing cash for a period of time to their Citizens as well. ... China has much easier ways to cripple us than shooting at us with nukes or any other munitions. It’d take us quite a while to rebuild our electronics manufacturing infrastructure if they just embargoed us, for example. And their Citizens wouldn’t likely complain too loudly about the loss of revenue for fear they’d be shot, since they really don’t have any qualms about that. Plus they’d be doing it because we didn’t pay, in this hypothetical “sovereign debt is meaningless” scenario. Meaning, if we weren’t paying, other sovereigns who were paying, would be in full support of said embargo. ... Chinese investors completed their purchase of Diamond Aircraft, I hear. As a related “aside”. ... Europe/Airbus wants to beat us. Brazil doesn’t want us. China doesn’t need us. China has bought up most of the US aircraft manufacturers of old and new. And our citizenry isn’t big on subsidizing them at the level European politicians can get their citizenry to agree to. ... Makes life “entertaining” for Boeing, I guess. (By the way “...” is where a paragraph break should go, but tapatalk is broken here.)

So like I said where it wouldn't end well if we stopped paying China.
 
So like I said where it wouldn't end well if we stopped paying China.
Yes. But you prefaced that statement with stuff about nukes. The insinuation was they’d start shooting over debts. They’ve already got strategic options that would plunge us into a recession and smash our currency if we were stupid enough to stop paying them. Nuking the cash cow is not in their best interests. Feeding it and milking it is.
 
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