I'm just going to leave this riiiiiiight here...

ATN_Pilot said:
Um, is that really a surprise? Play the game.



Why even bother bidding for anything other than days off then? Just show up on your assigned days and go where they tell you. Oh, that’s right, that’s called reserve. And it sucks.
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I meant that as a lineholder during a rotation. It's still your trip, pay protected, but maybe you end up in a different city tonight and then re-join your pairing tomorrow. For example, suppose you were supposed to do CMH-ATL-DCA (overnight) DCA-ATL-MCO next day. But today, you do CMH-ATL and reassigned to RDU for the night, tomorrow RDU-ATL and now re-join the ATL-MCO leg as original. My point is as long as you are pay protected for the greater of the two, and you finish at or before your original last day end time, does it matter what re-assignment happens on a rotation? I don't see what the issue is with this case. You're still flying as a line holder, just maybe a different city pair or overnight, but you are still getting paid original (or better) and end at the same original last day time.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I meant that as a lineholder during a rotation. It's still your trip, pay protected, but maybe you end up in a different city tonight and then re-join your pairing tomorrow. For example, suppose you were supposed to do CMH-ATL-DCA (overnight) DCA-ATL-MCO next day. But today, you do CMH-ATL and reassigned to RDU for the night, tomorrow RDU-ATL and now re-join the ATL-MCO leg as original. My point is as long as you are pay protected for the greater of the two, and you finish at or before your original last day end time, does it matter what re-assignment happens on a rotation? I don't see what the issue is with this case. You're still flying as a line holder, just maybe a different city pair or overnight, but you are still getting paid original (or better) and end at the same original last day time.
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NOPE.

How about this example. SFO-HNL, changed to SFO - CMH in the middle of winter. How would that make you feel?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I meant that as a lineholder during a rotation. It's still your trip, pay protected, but maybe you end up in a different city tonight and then re-join your pairing tomorrow. For example, suppose you were supposed to do CMH-ATL-DCA (overnight) DCA-ATL-MCO next day. But today, you do CMH-ATL and reassigned to RDU for the night, tomorrow RDU-ATL and now re-join the ATL-MCO leg as original. My point is as long as you are pay protected for the greater of the two, and you finish at or before your original last day end time, does it matter what re-assignment happens on a rotation? I don't see what the issue is with this case. You're still flying as a line holder, just maybe a different city pair or overnight, but you are still getting paid original (or better) and end at the same original last day time.
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You realize that lots of people bid for certain pairings, overnights, etc., right? There’s a reason that PBSs have so many different parameters.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Ya, no thank you! People bid trips for a reason, and seniority allows that.
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Why? How does that really affect you? Your pay was the same and you still ended on the same last day release time. I dunno, maybe you bid specific layover overnights and MUST go to that city that night. But other than a personal desire to must overnight in a certain city that night, I don't see how it affects a pilot personally as long as their pay is protected and they end no later than the original pairing release time.


ClarkGriswold said:
NOPE.

How about this example. SFO-HNL, changed to SFO - CMH in the middle of winter. How would that make you feel?
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ATN_Pilot said:
You realize that lots of people bid for certain pairings, overnights, etc., right? There’s a reason that PBSs have so many different parameters.
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My personal "feelings" would prefer HNL since that was the original plan, BUT, if they want to send me to CMH in the middle of winter, as long as they pay protect me and I get the greater $ of the two, and I still get released on or before the original release time, I honestly wouldn't care. I don't sweat the small stuff. And yes, this is small stuff. :) Sorry you can't lay on the beach and sip a margarita in 80 deg weather, instead being holed up in a CMH Hilton with 30 degrees outside. It's not like it happens every day and I can count on two hands the amount of times in 10 yrs that I have spent a different overnight than planned as a result of a CS initiated switch.

Sweatin the small stuff, getting your BP raised over minute issues, that's just not me. I'm a big picture kinda guy and to me that means my trip pay is protected and I get released per the original pairing end time. I've been to HNL, OGG, LIH in my own time. I've been to ANC as work (flying into/out) and for personal travel/mini vacation once. Within the 50 states, there just isn't any "deal breaker" to me city-wise.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Why? How does that really affect you? Your pay was the same and you still ended on the same last day release time. I dunno, maybe you bid specific layover overnights and MUST go to that city that night. But other than a personal desire to must overnight in a certain city that night, I don't see how it affects a pilot personally as long as their pay is protected and they end no later than the original pairing release time.






My personal "feelings" would prefer HNL since that was the original plan, BUT, if they want to send me to CMH in the middle of winter, as long as they pay protect me and I get the greater $ of the two, and I still get released on or before the original release time, I honestly wouldn't care. I don't sweat the small stuff. And yes, this is small stuff. :) Sorry you can't lay on the beach and sip a margarita in 80 deg weather, instead being holed up in a CMH Hilton with 30 degrees outside. It's not like it happens every day and I can count on two hands the amount of times in 10 yrs that I have spent a different overnight than planned as a result of a CS initiated switch.

Sweatin the small stuff, getting your BP raised over minute issues, that's just not me. I'm a big picture kinda guy and to me that means my trip pay is protected and I get released per the original pairing end time. I've been to HNL, OGG, LIH in my own time. I've been to ANC as work (flying into/out) and for personal travel/mini vacation once. Within the 50 states, there just isn't any "deal breaker" to me city-wise.
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ATTN: Alaska pilots

Never allow this guy on your Scheduling Committee, Negotiating Committee, or MEC

No offense. :)
 
*********** The one exception I can think of is if you are a commuter and you bid your home city as overnights, because that is a QOL item to score a home night. Taking that away messes with your personal family time that you were counting on. Otherwise (domestically), to me, a hotel is a hotel is a hotel.
 
Ugh. Doesn’t that get exhausting having to “work”the system every bid period?

Show up. Fly aerospace device. Go home. Cash cheque. Repeat. Maybe have tobug the line guy for a trash bag... because drama....


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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Why? How does that really affect you? Your pay was the same and you still ended on the same last day release time. I dunno, maybe you bid specific layover overnights and MUST go to that city that night. But other than a personal desire to must overnight in a certain city that night, I don't see how it affects a pilot personally as long as their pay is protected and they end no later than the original pairing release time.






My personal "feelings" would prefer HNL since that was the original plan, BUT, if they want to send me to CMH in the middle of winter, as long as they pay protect me and I get the greater $ of the two, and I still get released on or before the original release time, I honestly wouldn't care. I don't sweat the small stuff. And yes, this is small stuff. :) Sorry you can't lay on the beach and sip a margarita in 80 deg weather, instead being holed up in a CMH Hilton with 30 degrees outside. It's not like it happens every day and I can count on two hands the amount of times in 10 yrs that I have spent a different overnight than planned as a result of a CS initiated switch.

Sweatin the small stuff, getting your BP raised over minute issues, that's just not me. I'm a big picture kinda guy and to me that means my trip pay is protected and I get released per the original pairing end time. I've been to HNL, OGG, LIH in my own time. I've been to ANC as work (flying into/out) and for personal travel/mini vacation once. Within the 50 states, there just isn't any "deal breaker" to me city-wise.
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I bid days off and the longest possible lay overs in my favorite cities. So ya it would bug me, obviously I would do it if rerouted. I guess when you sit in your room and play video games/ cruise JC/APC all day it doesn't matter where you are.
 
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Dugie8 said:
Ugh. Doesn’t that get exhausting having to “work”the system every bid period?

Show up. Fly aerospace device. Go home. Cash cheque. Repeat. Maybe have tobug the line guy for a trash bag... because drama....


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It's your job, where you spend most of your damn month. I wouldn't say trying to make it enjoyable as possible is "exhausting"
 
I'd really like to fly any of my trips as awarded. Pay protection is nice and all, but I got those pairings to fly efficient trips to get my time to upgrade, not for a 30 hour overnight in some dump I have the seniority to avoid
 
ClarkGriswold said:
It's your job, where you spend most of your damn month. I wouldn't say trying to make it enjoyable as possible is "exhausting"
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Not only that, but this isn't the 1980s when you had to do this all by paper. Even if you don't have PBS, every airline I worked at someone had developed a computer program to automatically sort lines for me based on these kinds of criteria. Took about 30 seconds to sort the lines for what I wanted. This isn't complicated stuff.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I meant that as a lineholder during a rotation. It's still your trip, pay protected, but maybe you end up in a different city tonight and then re-join your pairing tomorrow. For example, suppose you were supposed to do CMH-ATL-DCA (overnight) DCA-ATL-MCO next day. But today, you do CMH-ATL and reassigned to RDU for the night, tomorrow RDU-ATL and now re-join the ATL-MCO leg as original. My point is as long as you are pay protected for the greater of the two, and you finish at or before your original last day end time, does it matter what re-assignment happens on a rotation? I don't see what the issue is with this case. You're still flying as a line holder, just maybe a different city pair or overnight, but you are still getting paid original (or better) and end at the same original last day time.
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Of you come here please don't ever take any position that makes decisions for other pilots.
 
ian said:
Of you come here please don't ever take any position that makes decisions for other pilots.
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For almost every airline out there, what I described (a re-route during a rotation) is already allowed under scheduling rules. I have yet to hear of a 121 airline in which once you start your trip, you cannot be pulled from a flight or re-assigned another flight on that pairing. If there is one it is extremely rare. I'm not in a role to change anything but no worries because I wouldn't be changing anything since it's already allowed/status quo.

ClarkGriswold said:
I bid days off and the longest possible lay overs in my favorite cities. So ya it would bug me, obviously I would do it if rerouted. I guess when you sit in your room and play video games/ cruise JC/APC all day it doesn't matter where you are.
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Lame attack, sounds like a personal nerve was touched? I have a hotel room routine, of which only a little time is spent on the internet forums. No computer games on my laptop. The majority of the time is spent on Facetime with the family/kids, email catching up, working out, and jogging plus cool down walks outside afterwards. Maybe an occasional going out to a movie, because I don't do that at home with the family/new kid situation.


Back to the hats though...........
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
For almost every airline out there, what I described (a re-route during a rotation) is already allowed under scheduling rules. I have yet to hear of a 121 airline in which once you start your trip, you cannot be pulled from a flight or re-assigned another flight on that pairing. If there is one it is extremely rare. I'm not in a role to change anything but no worries because I wouldn't be changing anything since it's already allowed/status quo.



Lame attack, sounds like a personal nerve was touched? I have a hotel room routine, of which only a little time is spent on the internet forums. No computer games on my laptop. The majority of the time is spent on Facetime with the family/kids, email catching up, working out, and jogging plus cool down walks outside afterwards. Maybe an occasional going out to a movie, because I don't do that at home with the family/new kid situation.


Back to the hats though...........
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And at most every airline we care when we get rerouted. As others have said we bid trips for a specific reason. If I didn't care what I did I'd only bid for days off.
 
ian said:
And at most every airline we care when we get rerouted. As others have said we bid trips for a specific reason. If I didn't care what I did I'd only bid for days off.
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All I bid are days off and productive trips. So if there are any changes, I still have the original days off and original trip protection pay. Granted it's domestic America only, but 10 yrs airlines and almost 10,000 hrs flying I really don't care what city I end up in and hotels are hotels. Once you hit the bed and the lights are out, it's no different than any other overnight. Obviously, that's just me :) YMMV

But seriously, hats...............
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
All I bid are days off and productive trips. So if there are any changes, I still have the original days off and original trip protection pay. Granted it's domestic America only, but 10 yrs airlines and almost 10,000 hrs flying I really don't care what city I end up in and hotels are hotels. Once you hit the bed and the lights are out, it's no different than any other overnight. Obviously, that's just me :) YMMV

But seriously, hats...............
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Yeah I'll stick to my international.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
All I bid are days off and productive trips. So if there are any changes, I still have the original days off and original trip protection pay. Granted it's domestic America only, but 10 yrs airlines and almost 10,000 hrs flying I really don't care what city I end up in and hotels are hotels. Once you hit the bed and the lights are out, it's no different than any other overnight. Obviously, that's just me :) YMMV

But seriously, hats...............
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*I don't necessarily like a pilot meeting the company half way to mess with their trip, but I see where you are coming from. I'm kind of the same way. I only bid for days off. I largely don't care where I spend my overnights. But I know other people do. So I'm not going to give scheduling a precedent that we pilots will answer their phone when we are not required to.

*I have no idea how I learned to text so poorly. Jesus was supposed to be "I" and there some other formatting issues I've tried to clean up.
 
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