Eff you SWA

The biggest cause for delays in ATC modernization programs such as NextGen has been government shutdowns (or the threat of) and sequestration. It's almost impossible to plan or budget for a long term project when you're funding stream is constantly under threat. Additionally sequestration and shutdowns have caused hiring to slow or stop several times, including a full year of the Academy being closed in 2013 I think it was. With how long it takes for a trainee to become a fully certified controller, a year of no one in the pipeline has huge ramifications, especially with such a large percentage of the current workforce hitting retirement eligibility or the mandatory age.

Not buying it. I've worked for places that were grossly understaffed and if our leadership an us wanted to upgrade something we just effing upgraded it. We had to choose priorities and get it done. We also knew we had the option to sit on our hands and not do it and we'd go out of business. That's the difference between private sector and public. If the public sector guy or gal doesn't bust some butt once in a while, they don't get a pink slip. No intrinsic motivation.

That said "privatizing" government doesn't work either because the contractor knows they're not going to lose the contract once the government slow as molasses "process" driven by the same folks with no fire in their bellies and threat of empty pockets and no dinner in their bellies would take years to dump them.

FAA literally used our old junk product that should have been in a dumpster somewhere for over a decade longer than they should have and paid us four times as much as they should have because they couldn't manage doing a beta test with a backup system on site in case of problems. Literally.

That's how private companies who were unsure of the new product handled it. "We can take a ten minute outage to switch back to the old one if this new one doesn't work... hey look at that. The new one works, it's better in every possible way, has more features, and is all digital with no eeprom chips and floppy drives to load the system software or update it. Nice work vendor! Thanks!"

Government contracts are lucrative not just because of their size but also because the purchasers and people managing the tech use are literally, clueless, about how to manage technical change. They think mountains of paperwork stops outages. Backups and redundancy stop outages. Software ALWAYS sucks and always has. An A/B switched setup (especially automated) is a guaranteed "fix" for a bad upgrade.

You do. Not. Want. new ATC tech every year. If there is going to be a change it needs be built on last generation hardware, stress tested for years, backward compatible, and it damn well better have a foundation in non-radar.

Generally agreed but you can take that stress testing too far and take way too long doing it. The main contractor literally got out of the entire sector as a business unit during the timeframe our gear was in service. That's a long time.

When is it required for all aircraft to be ADSB equipped? My guess is you won't see any ADS-B related rule changes until everyone is supposed to have it.

The 2011 Appropriations bill specifically says, from Congress, that FAA must come up with incentives that give priority to ADS-B equipped aircraft. Not that FAA hasn't ignored Congress before, but many think FAA is driving that attitude and they're only part of it. Congress themselves wants FAA to give better service to equipped aircraft.

Better than that, since ADS-B isn't encrypted, I bet you could build a distributed internet based ATC backup from all the people out there that've put up their own ADS-B antennas.

That would work as well as the idiots on VATSIM and similar pretending they're controllers. LOL.

The agency have been moving toward this since the days of Marion Blakey, in which she said the FAA are going from first come, first served to best equipped, best served.

Yup. It's literally law at this point. See above.

Mark Baker, AOPA President, was at our BBQ this afternoon talking to 20 of us General Aviation pilots. If you are still into GA expect user fees with privatization as seen throughout Europe and somewhat in Canada. Pay a fee every time you land at an airport. They are fighting this with all their might but it is beginning to look like a losing battle. The best way is to contact the Congressman in your voting district and say NO to HR2997. Most Congressmen have no clue what it is about but their offices keep a tally of the YEAS and NAYS from their constituents and vote accordingly.

Turning it over to the airlines is akin to turning our highways over to the trucking industry and letting them decide who uses them and at what cost.

ADS-B is required by Jan 1, 2020. I have ADS-B displayed on my GPS and is extremely accurate. Tap an a/c symbol on the GPS and it will display their N number, speed, alt, climbing/descending and direction of flight.

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media...ent&utm_content=tts&utm_campaign=170706epilot

Gosh. Hiring the "Washington insider" who started the wine club and then got told to walk with his golden parachute, didn't work out for them? LOL.

They don't seem to want to fight the real fight. If you're headed for user fees then cancel the fuel taxes. That battle would put the airlines and the politicians at odds. It's the only strategy that does.

There's no point in being the Charge of the Light Brigade when you can just get the two larger armies to kill each other. AOPA needs to make the airlines look like a threat to the General Fund. It's their only chance of survival. "If you attack me, that guy over there is going to flank you and kill you. They already want you "privatized" away."
 
That's neither a system nor an equipment limitation; it's a regulatory one. And it won't change with ADS-B, NexGen, or anything else short of installing a control tower. At an uncontrolled airport ATC is required to protect the airspace until cancellation of IFR is received, confirmation of arrival is made (such as calling the FBO to check), or 30 minutes after fuel exhaustion. Radar coverage has absolutely nothing to do with it.
And I'm saying that handling traffic like that when the equipment is all up and working is asinine. Of course you have to have contingency plans for outages but where I operate there's a better way to do it for a lot of the operations a lot of the time. Oh, and a lot of the roadblocks I'm referring to happen at an airport with a tower. If the FAAs glacial approach to modernization is causing that much stupidity in my tiny little corner of the world, I have to believe that there's ways to improve the rest of the system too. Even in places where the amount of pavement is often a limiting factor.
 
And I'm saying that handling traffic like that when the equipment is all up and working is asinine. Of course you have to have contingency plans for outages but where I operate there's a better way to do it for a lot of the operations a lot of the time. Oh, and a lot of the roadblocks I'm referring to happen at an airport with a tower. If the FAAs glacial approach to modernization is causing that much stupidity in my tiny little corner of the world, I have to believe that there's ways to improve the rest of the system too. Even in places where the amount of pavement is often a limiting factor.

Privatization wouldn't change any of that. We would still follow the rules and regs passed down from the FAA.
 
I don't think privatization is the answer. It's basically handing over a no-bid contract to Lockheed Martin with a promise that they'll do a better job… which I have no faith in.

I prefer ATC to be run with ATC and the users of the system in mind and privatization is no guarantee of that.

Personally, I'm more than happy to pull up a chair and read what ATC'ers actually think. As a pilot, I'm fully aware that ATC is probably a more complex topic than I realize from the perspective of the 320.
 
Privatization wouldn't change any of that. We would still follow the rules and regs passed down from the FAA.
I guess I misread your original post as being a rant about how ATC and outdated equipment and procedures aren't the reason for flight delays, when in fact it was simply an anti-privatization thing. Carry on.
 
Yeah, because scheduling a 737 that does 8 or 9 legs in a day to have ground times of 40 minutes into places like SFO, LGA, and LAX isn't a big reason for delays.
This^

You can't plan a schedule predicated on perfection then act surprised when reality swiftly takes a dump on your operation. But, it works well enough, often enough for those in charge to find it worth it albeit to the chagrin of the cogs in the wheel that have to deal with the less than perfect days.
 
I guess I misread your original post as being a rant about how ATC and outdated equipment and procedures aren't the reason for flight delays, when in fact it was simply an anti-privatization thing. Carry on.

Well it was that too. ATC and our equipment and procedures aren't the reason for I'd say at least 98% of delays. But my main gripe was the disingenuous argument to try and drum up support for privatization.
 
Anybody that supports privatization definitely hasn't had to call Lockheed Martin for anything recently. Ugh, ugh, a thousand times ugh.
 
Okay, late to the conversation, but does anyone who has spent even a minute in a cockpit really think that privatization is going to allow you to go direct to any major airport? LN's don't even get direct to northeast airports. We have "pushes" because airlines schedule flights at the same times because those are the times people want to fly. If the airlines really want to save money, they should get together and schedule around each other. Prior to the airline deregulation in 1978, the FAA did just that, and they told air carriers when and where to fly.
 
Okay, late to the conversation, but does anyone who has spent even a minute in a cockpit really think that privatization is going to allow you to go direct to any major airport? LN's don't even get direct to northeast airports. We have "pushes" because airlines schedule flights at the same times because those are the times people want to fly. If the airlines really want to save money, they should get together and schedule around each other. Prior to the airline deregulation in 1978, the FAA did just that, and they told air carriers when and where to fly.
If we want to fly straight lines everywhere the best thing we can do is abolish military airspace.

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Insofar as "talk a big game then go sputter and shout" is a "plan", he does have a plan. And there are many sorts of intelligence. I don't think he's going to be splitting the atom any time soon, but an old fat man with a forty word vocabulary who has lost billions of dollars through what in any rational legal system would be called "fraud", but manages to get elected to the highest office in the land of the most powerful nation on earth just has to be called a Genius. If you choose to preface the title with "Evil", I'll acquiesce.
 
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