Hard Landing / Substantial Damage

Bear

Bear

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Airframe and Powerplant (A&P) mechanic able to address the repair procedures used to bring this (N2104H) or any aircraft back on line with ‘buckling’ damage.

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/R...ID=20150325X24417&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=CA

"A routine maintenance inspection was conducted on the airplane and the mechanic noticed substantial damage. Buckling was present in the lower firewall and the floor under the rudder pedals, consistent with a hard landing. No hard landings were reported to the operator. The circumstances, crew, and timeline surrounding the damage is unknown. It is unknown if there were any pre-impact mechanical failures or malfunctions with the airframe or engine that would have precluded normal operation.”

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/563408-606b6fe1d50b49d09600144666a00ef07e95fa64/aircrafttype/C172
 
It happened several times a year at UND. I was definitely having a heart attack when I watched a solo student porpoise a couple of times before going around once.
 
Bear said:
Airframe and Powerplant (A&P) mechanic able to address the repair procedures used to bring this (N2104H) or any aircraft back on line with ‘buckling’ damage.

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/R...ID=20150325X24417&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=CA

"A routine maintenance inspection was conducted on the airplane and the mechanic noticed substantial damage. Buckling was present in the lower firewall and the floor under the rudder pedals, consistent with a hard landing. No hard landings were reported to the operator. The circumstances, crew, and timeline surrounding the damage is unknown. It is unknown if there were any pre-impact mechanical failures or malfunctions with the airframe or engine that would have precluded normal operation.”

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/563408-606b6fe1d50b49d09600144666a00ef07e95fa64/aircrafttype/C172
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Not worth it. Nope. Nope.
 
Beyond economic repair. It'll cost more to do that work than the airframe is worth.


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Roger Roger said:
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If you have a good sheet metal guy and a corner of your hangar that you can block up for a few months no big deal.

If not, pull the wings off put the fuse in a trailer and send it to someone who does.
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Anything can be fixed, I wouldn't attach my name to the logbook. No offense intended.
 
Adler said:
I mean they can repair P-51's with just a dataplate.
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Few months ago I was wandering around KPWA while waiting for an airplane to be done and stumbled into a museum where a couple guys were building up a P51 wing from nothing. Had a nice jig and everything.
 
Bear said:
Does the FAA have a maint. data base a prospective renter / buyer can access prior to use or purchase?
N2104H was repaired and returned to the line at http://www.ciaflightschool.com/rental-fleet/ https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N2104H
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You can buy a CD with copies of all 337s that have been filed with the FAA, also in this case since the damage reached "accident" level it will show up if you search the aircraft s/n in the NTSB database. Curious why all the questions?
 
Roger Roger said:
Curious
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is my nature....
Today most of us drive state of art cars with more safety features than will hopefully ever use. Then we have general aviation, older tube and fabric, "aluminum-alloy, semi-monocoque, stressed skin construction" and now composites .... forget the "rigid non-deforming passenger compartment and the crumple zones in the front and the rear."
To my point, wonder how many general aviation acrft are technically structurally 'unfit' to be flown. From my initial question, from the damages described, what likely was repaired and how to return N2104H (or like damaged acrft) to the line vs sold as damaged beyond repair.
 
Bear said:
is my nature....
Today most of us drive state of art cars with more safety features than will hopefully ever use. Then we have general aviation, older tube and fabric, "aluminum-alloy, semi-monocoque, stressed skin construction" and now composites .... forget the "rigid non-deforming passenger compartment and the crumple zones in the front and the rear."
To my point, wonder how many general aviation acrft are technically structurally 'unfit' to be flown. From my initial question, from the damages described, what likely was repaired and how to return N2104H (or like damaged acrft) to the line vs sold as damaged beyond repair.
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*shrug* be it as it may, un-provoked structural failure even of GA aircraft is extremely rare so something is working, more or less.
 
If it's just a firewall that happens to 182s all the time. Takes some time (and money) because you have to pull the engine and engine mount but the firewall can be replaced.
 
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