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Well written. My favorite quote, "you're a business person, figure it out."
The only people that are trying to do this for a living now a days are the ones infected with the virus. Every other rational person is learning network security or consulting. (What is this "consulting"? I don't see any classes for it at my local community college, yet everyone I meet is a consultant...)
 
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bucksmith said:
Well written. My favorite quote, "you're a business person, figure it out."
The only people that are trying to do this for a living now a days are the ones infected with the virus. Every other rational person is learning network security or consulting. (What is this "consulting"? I don't see any classes for it at my local community college, yet everyone I meet is a consultant...)
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Most certainly the best piece written about this "problem."

None of this happened overnight. The implementation timeline was more than adequate and for the lower strata-121 (re: FFD) operations' management teams to be crying foul is embarrassing at best and laughable at worst.
 
Slate writer has flight cancelled.

Slate writer decides an article on flight cancellation will meet the 1000 word deadline by their editor.

Slate writer looks up market cap on Google because market cap is how they think a business' success is measured.

Slate writers are usually writers because they're not good at business or math.

Slate writer doesn't bother to look up gross or net profits.

Slate writer blames airline management because it's popular.

Slate writer mentions nothing about being willing to pay double the price they paid for their ticket, or where any of their magic money that's going to go to salary is going to come from.

(Not saying there aren't management problems, or even that the author is necessarily wrong, but they obviously weren't on any formal debate teams in school -- the argument they made is full of holes and the article would take anyone who reads airline financials and popular news about a half hour to write. It isn't exactly Pulitzer Prize quality... LOL.)
 
denverpilot said:
Slate writer has flight cancelled.

Slate writer decides an article on flight cancellation will meet the 1000 word deadline by their editor.

Slate writer looks up market cap on Google because market cap is how they think a business' success is measured.

Slate writers are usually writers because they're not good at business or math.

Slate writer doesn't bother to look up gross or net profits.

Slate writer blames airline management because it's popular.

Slate writer mentions nothing about being willing to pay double the price they paid for their ticket, or where any of their magic money that's going to go to salary is going to come from.

(Not saying there aren't management problems, or even that the author is necessarily wrong, but they obviously weren't on any formal debate teams in school -- the argument they made is full of holes and the article would take anyone who reads airline financials and popular news about a half hour to write. It isn't exactly Pulitzer Prize quality... LOL.)
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He's not wrong though. While he did not do a very good job articulating himself, he is definitely not wrong. It looks like Congress may "fix" the shortage with a couple swipes of the pen soon anyway. I hope your requisite crappy regional got contractual raises and not temp bonuses.
 
SurferLucas said:
and then, someone gets it!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...of_flights_because_of_the_pilot_shortage.html
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The comments that have populated within the article have been great entertainment. Goes to show how out of touch the general public can be about pilot pay. Best one yet.... "Why not let the refugees fly, they need jobs and will accept subpar wages. It will keep labor costs low, because paying our current competent employees more is just unamerican.". ROFL
 
denverpilot said:
Slate writer has flight cancelled.

Slate writer decides an article on flight cancellation will meet the 1000 word deadline by their editor.

Slate writer looks up market cap on Google because market cap is how they think a business' success is measured.

Slate writers are usually writers because they're not good at business or math.

Slate writer doesn't bother to look up gross or net profits.

Slate writer blames airline management because it's popular.

Slate writer mentions nothing about being willing to pay double the price they paid for their ticket, or where any of their magic money that's going to go to salary is going to come from.

(Not saying there aren't management problems, or even that the author is necessarily wrong, but they obviously weren't on any formal debate teams in school -- the argument they made is full of holes and the article would take anyone who reads airline financials and popular news about a half hour to write. It isn't exactly Pulitzer Prize quality... LOL.)
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azmedic said:
No. It will be a combination of the block hours we are losing in MSP and possibly some LAX flying,so if anything it should help out or DL performance numbers,except on those days when LAX and SEA are both in 2+ hour GDPs for LOCIGs


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Actually, pilot pay is a drop in the bucket for AAG, especially Horizon. Horizon could easily increase pilot pay 20% and not even have to impact management salaries or "double ticket prices". The shareholders would just get a very very slight amount less return. I mean seriously it's a public company, it's not hard to see that.
 
denverpilot said:
Slate writer has flight cancelled.

Slate writer decides an article on flight cancellation will meet the 1000 word deadline by their editor.

Slate writer looks up market cap on Google because market cap is how they think a business' success is measured.

Slate writers are usually writers because they're not good at business or math.

Slate writer doesn't bother to look up gross or net profits.

Slate writer blames airline management because it's popular.

Slate writer mentions nothing about being willing to pay double the price they paid for their ticket, or where any of their magic money that's going to go to salary is going to come from.

(Not saying there aren't management problems, or even that the author is necessarily wrong, but they obviously weren't on any formal debate teams in school -- the argument they made is full of holes and the article would take anyone who reads airline financials and popular news about a half hour to write. It isn't exactly Pulitzer Prize quality... LOL.)
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Lol.

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JDean3204 said:
The comments that have populated within the article have been great entertainment. Goes to show how out of touch the general public can be about pilot pay. Best one yet.... "Why not let the refugees fly, they need jobs and will accept subpar wages. It will keep labor costs low, because paying our current competent employees more is just unamerican.". ROFL
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I, uh, think that's sarcasm.
 
Dphoenix said:
Actually, pilot pay is a drop in the bucket for AAG, especially Horizon. Horizon could easily increase pilot pay 20% and not even have to impact management salaries or "double ticket prices". The shareholders would just get a very very slight amount less return. I mean seriously it's a public company, it's not hard to see that.
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pete2800 said:
Lol.

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All well and good but unrelated to my point.

I couldn't care less what they pay. I don't even care if they cancel flights. As for what shareholders get, that's between the company and the shareholders. Again, not my argument and I don't care. But you quoted me, so I've responded.

My point was the author didn't make a very compelling point. Ten minutes of Google and he could have found what you guys found. And more. Just a weak and whiny article without specifics.

For that matter, an *income* graph doesn't make a very good argument either, but it's better than he made. A *profit* graph would be more appropriate. But it's a common misuse of graphs in business and business commentary.

I do get a chuckle out of "nothing would have to change" to pay the pilots more, followed by "but shareholders would need to make less". Mmmm.

Entertaining.

The article still sucks.
 
denverpilot said:
All well and good but unrelated to my point.

I couldn't care less what they pay. I don't even care if they cancel flights. As for what shareholders get, that's between the company and the shareholders. Again, not my argument and I don't care. But you quoted me, so I've responded.

My point was the author didn't make a very compelling point. Ten minutes of Google and he could have found what you guys found. And more. Just a weak and whiny article without specifics.

For that matter, an *income* graph doesn't make a very good argument either, but it's better than he made. A *profit* graph would be more appropriate. But it's a common misuse of graphs in business and business commentary.

I do get a chuckle out of "nothing would have to change" to pay the pilots more, followed by "but shareholders would need to make less". Mmmm.

Entertaining.

The article still sucks.
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denverpilot said:
P.S. Might want to correct that graph for inflation over the timeframe.
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denverpilot said:
Yeah "uh". It's a net income graph. If costs rose with income, the net profit graph may be flat.
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Yes, a 'profit' chart would have been better than 'income,' but I didn't make the chart, I just stole it. Also, according to the 10-K documents, Operating Revenues are listed, Operating Expenses are listed below that, then the difference is labeled "Operating Income." So lets see... money coming in minus money coming out... seems a whole lot like "profit" to me. Oh. And that chart? Those are post-tax numbers. Regardless... it's becoming increasingly clear you're not familiar with AAG's financials. You're talking about likely the most financially healthy airline in the United States. Their profit margin has been holding steady at 24% for years now. The nature of percentages is that inflation isn't a factor...

The article may suck, but your critique sucks more.
 
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