AA bequeathed an 8% parity raise.

Derg said:
Under your scenario, using those numbers, it would pay 11.

A good example is the trip I'm flying now is a five day 29 hour credit trip with about 15:45 of total block time because of soft time, contract and duty period minimum.
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So any time flying over the ADTG that's straight pay no matter what happens on the other days?
 
AAPalmTree said:
So any time flying over the ADTG that's straight pay no matter what happens on the other days?
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I'll try to throw together a sanitized example of a 29 hr credit 15 hr block I just got off of on the commute home.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
Agree they're terrible. However they're only one contract removed from bankruptcy and the whole JCBA process wasn't a true section 6.

VP of Flight said in his letter announcing pay rates that the talks on fixing the min day issue are progressing. He also said a completely new contract is months, not years, away.

If we had some work rules AA would be very attractive for new hires with the massive retirements forthcoming.
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Pretty sure the months away comment was referring to how long it will take to negotiate the next contract in 2019. For now they are increasing pay, fixing the min calendar day fiasco, and LOS / LTD.
 
AAPalmTree said:
A lot of semantics on the rigs here.

We have trip rig for TAFB.
We have min day pertaining to duty day.

We need avg daily (calendar not duty) guarantee.

Question for DL guys:
Your ADTG:
Assuming it's 5:00/day
You fly:
6hr day 1
4hr day 2
Trip pays 10? (where the avg comes from)
Or 11 hours?
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Avg daily pay is 5.15
 
The thing that is most important to remember when it comes to the min day vs rig argument is that no matter what you end up with, the trips that are built will be optimized for that language.

The last shop had a cronic problem with comparing min day trips to ADTG trips and screaming "you took my money!".

Trips are built around the language, not the other way around...
 
Congrats! It's awesome to finally see things moving in the pilot's favor in this industry.

Questions. Is this 8% across the board? Are the rates still moving up for 2018 and 19?
 
L-16B said:
FO's will promptly put their hand behind the throttle quadrant after the captain removed his hand at V1 as the DC-3 had throttle creep and by god that's how you fly a brand new 737 too!

On another note I have one more trip of doing my own briefings until I transfer to DFW next month and suddenly won't be capable of doing my own :)
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Don't worry, if your coming to the mother ship on the bus, most of the captains will let you do your own briefings. I've only flown with a few that want to do them, and usually only the takeoff briefing.

I don't understand why it's a big deal though. He can talk all he wants, less stuff for me to do.

I get offered PA's all the time, I always decline.
 
AAPalmTree said:
A lot of semantics on the rigs here.

We have trip rig for TAFB.
We have min day pertaining to duty day.

We need avg daily (calendar not duty) guarantee.

Question for DL guys:
Your ADTG:
Assuming it's 5:00/day
You fly:
6hr day 1
4hr day 2
Trip pays 10? (where the avg comes from)
Or 11 hours?
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As the Delta guys said, it pays 11, but that's because of an min duty guarantee, not the average daily guarantee.

Better example...

Day 1 fly 8 hours
Day 2 rest 30 hours
Day 3 fly 8 hours

Trip pays 16 or TAFB rig on 3.5:1, whichever is greater.
 
Derg said:
Under your scenario, using those numbers, it would pay 11.

A good example is the trip I'm flying now is a five day 29 hour credit trip with about 15:45 of total block time because of soft time, contract and duty period minimum.
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Without the details I don't know, but in general, as soon as you get above 4 days, a 3.5 trip rig will normally be what pays, unless you are doing ULH flying.
 
And another reason it's a waste of time to measure penises using the pay rates or even as far as the notes on APC.

It's all in the language.

LOL. I said "penis". @MikeD's gonna ban me! :)
 
BobDDuck said:
As the Delta guys said, it pays 11, but that's because of an min duty guarantee, not the average daily guarantee.

Better example...

Day 1 fly 8 hours
Day 2 rest 30 hours
Day 3 fly 8 hours

Trip pays 16 or TAFB rig on 3.5:1, whichever is greater.
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That's where I was going that went unanswered. I was wondfring if that trip you posted would pay 21.
 
bequeath:
verb (used with object)
1. to dispose of (personal property, especially money) by last will:
She bequeathed her half of the company to her niece.

So, AA died and left some money to its pilots?
 
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