Ameriflight

UAL747400 said:
AMF is fine these days IMO. A LOT more conservative pilot groups and the management pilots have a lot more "leverage" against shenanigans trying to be pushed on by ops or upper management. Depends on the ACP though of course. Been there done that working under someone that doesn't understand finesse.

There may be pressure at some bases to "push it", but it's the pilot group that does it to themselves, particularly in OMA with rest and SLC with, well, everything. That base was going to be my special project if I ever came to full power. :) They're so desperate right now, and the management is so much better, you won't have to take any flack from anyone that matters these days.

Ameriflight was great for me and many others. Some haven't had a great time, but their base was indeed not very good at the time most likely. Different times for sure. These days, they need every pilot they can get, and will go out of their way to keep them at least kind of happy. :)
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I loved the SLC base. I was never "based" there but was TDYd there quite a bit. Prolly the best base in the system...then again this was 2010-2012...
 
A150K said:
I thought they were the highest paying ones too. The money one can make in the type rated stuff these days is no joke.
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No, it's a joke still. We are just impressed because the pay has increased so much from what it was before. 1 paid crewmember in the 1900 and Metro, making 70k is not where it needs to be. Even the Bro the pay can be better. It is good money for an entry level professional flying job for sure, and I am so glad to see the pay has gone up, but for the type of flying, the risk, the equipment and the responsibility should demand higher pay than it is. But that's the freight world.
 
Inverted said:
No, it's a joke still. We are just impressed because the pay has increased so much from what it was before. 1 paid crewmember in the 1900 and Metro, making 70k is not where it needs to be. Even the Bro the pay can be better. It is good money for an entry level professional flying job for sure, and I am so glad to see the pay has gone up, but for the type of flying, the risk, the equipment and the responsibility should demand higher pay than it is. But that's the freight world.
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Oh believe me...I know. Freight pay is still at the bottom. When I went to AMF, I was making more than first year regional pay. The same can't be said now depending on the regional. I started off there making just over $30K (the BIG RAISE from $28K everyone was screaming about) and ended at $44K as a dual qualified PA31/BE99 driver...Problem is they owned me 6 days per week 14 hours per day. I was worn out after 1.5 years of that god awful schedule.
 
A150K said:
Oh believe me...I know. Freight pay is still at the bottom. When I went to AMF, I was making more than first year regional pay. The same can't be said now depending on the regional. I started off there making just over $30K (the BIG RAISE from $28K everyone was screaming about) and ended at $44K as a dual qualified PA31/BE99 driver...Problem is they owned me 6 days per week 14 hours per day. I was worn out after 1.5 years of that god awful schedule.
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Yea I mean its all relative. The regionals have stepped their game up too but they aren't where they should be either. But at least now, if somebody has a dream to fly single pilot freight and nothing else, they won't starve as much as we did so that's cool.
 
Inverted said:
Yea I mean its all relative. The regionals have stepped their game up too but they aren't where they should be either. But at least now, if somebody has a dream to fly single pilot freight and nothing else, they won't starve as much as we did so that's cool.
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I think most pilots aren't paid what they're worth. It's a problem across the industry.
 
Mesa wants to pay you $25k to fly a jet worth $48MM. I'd guess that there has been no other example more egregious in aviation than that in modern history, with the exception of the Russians in the early '90's. Aeroflot salaries during that period were much lower than U.S. regional salaries have ever been. I'd like to think this arbitrage game on labor in the U.S. is over for good, and hopefully Ameriflight and their ilk won't be able to reverse the tide we've seen lately.
 
UPS supposedly has entered into a program with every UPS feeder. From a practical standpoint, it's nothing more than a great PR move.
 
Is it just me or is Ameriflight getting desperate? Like Seaport right before the bankruptcy desperate?
 
My take on this is it's not for current Amflight pilots. It's a way for UPS interns to gain flight experience while being "mentored by UPS management pilots and attending functions". Seems a little creepy to me. Cue the Animal House "thank you sir may I have another" frat scene...

It's a follow on for UPS interns to have a way to build time and hang out at Amflight longer since they supposedly have a potential pathway to UPS. The fine print from press release:

"The Gateway Program is open to individuals who have successfully completed the UPS Airlines Intern Program and have been identified by UPS as eligible for the UPS/Ameriflight Gateway Program. The agreement affords the opportunity for UPS interns to potentially qualify for employment with Ameriflight and UPS Airlines, respectively, upon completion of outlined experience and training requirements. Ameriflight and UPS may offer employment to eligible pilots subject to their hiring needs, hiring standards and the program requirements."

All that said, my F/O last night worked at Amflight twice and a new hire jumpseater was there for 9 years. My advice to Amflight guys is go to Atlas. We are hiring those guys like crazy and that's a great thing.
 
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