WestJet landing at SXM

JordanD said:
If that's the case, that's "the automation should have been shed a mile ago" low. But anybody could make a mistake, at least they went around before they smacked into the sea wall.
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Thou shalt not use FLCH below either FAF or traffic pattern altitude.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Thou shalt not use FLCH below either FAF or traffic pattern altitude.
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Go arounds are supposed to be a no repercussion event, yet here we are roasting them based on very little information. Something was wrong, they went around, they landed. Good on them for going around instead of just adding some power and trying to make the landing work.
 
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Adler said:
Go arounds are supposed to be a no repercussion event, yet here we are roasting them based o very little information. Something was wrong, they went around, they landed. Good on them for going around instead of just adding some power and trying to make the landing work.
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Uh, I didn't do that. I merely stated a "preference" and "technique."

Nobody was hurt, so they get to change their undies and have another go at it.
 
Its a damn good thing the photographer of this grainy image was quick to put a signature and copyright on it just in case it hit the black market.
 
gotWXdagain said:
I feel like the only automation in a visual traffic pattern should be the yaw damper. No autothrust, no cues, just fly the airplane.
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Auto thrust, on a crj you are the autothrust. Seems like using it on a visual would take the fun out of it.
 
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gotWXdagain said:
I feel like the only automation in a visual traffic pattern should be the yaw damper. No autothrust, no cues, just fly the airplane.
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There's a time and place for all the various levels of automation.

The difficult part is not necessarily in finger-frakking the MCP/GP/FGCP/whatever, or in going "click click, click click," but it's in knowing when to use the various levels.
 
...as well as being proficient enough with each type of automation to be both safe and efficient with them.

All of aviation consists of time-perishable skills that have to be exercised to stay healthy, both between the ears and with your hands and feet.
 
Hacker15e said:
...as well as being proficient enough with each type of automation to be both safe and efficient with them.

All of aviation consists of time-perishable skills that have to be exercised to stay healthy, both between the ears and with your hands and feet.
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Cognitive skills in flight operations degrade far more rapidly than psychomotor skills, as it turns out.

(When was the last time YOU flew VOR to VOR?)
 
Hacker15e said:
According to my logbook, 19 December 2015.
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Indeed.

It was "interesting" to read a paper on this very skill and its possible degradation in highly automated flight environments, then be forced to apply it at work last week.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Indeed.

It was "interesting" to read a paper on this very skill and its possible degradation in highly automated flight environments, then be forced to apply it at work last week.
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It was interesting at the last job to be interviewing people and have them take off, go direct to the VOR, as cleared, and then immediately get lost over it. Their reaction to getting lost is usually center the needle with a TO flag, which means we spent about a half hour flying cloverleafs over the VOR before a little hint was given.

It's pretty wild how drastically and quickly things have changed.
 
trafficinsight said:
It was interesting at the last job to be interviewing people and have them take off, go direct to the VOR, as cleared, and then immediately get lost over it. Their reaction to getting lost is usually center the needle with a TO flag, which means we spent about a half hour flying cloverleafs over the VOR before a little hint was given.

It's pretty wild how drastically and quickly things have changed.
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Jetting down to Atlanta Center and TRACON airspace incapable of RNAV is a no-no nowadays.

RNAV to (__) is fantastically accurate.

"At the middle marker turn right heading (__)" is fantastically sloppy by comparison.

Still, the rudimentary position awareness cognitive skill is damn important. Being "radar vector equipped" is all well and good, but insufficient.
 
trafficinsight said:
It was interesting at the last job to be interviewing people and have them take off, go direct to the VOR, as cleared, and then immediately get lost over it. Their reaction to getting lost is usually center the needle with a TO flag, which means we spent about a half hour flying cloverleafs over the VOR before a little hint was given.

It's pretty wild how drastically and quickly things have changed.
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Coming out of a small airport on an island somewhere, was instructed to intercept a VOR radial and fly it till I was talking to someone. Stared at the box for almost a half a minute before I smiled at myself.
 
adk said:
ELVAE saves day time and time again as of late!
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Elvae is a freaking clusterduck this time of year with all the spring break flights. If 24.75 doesn't climb you guys or the TEB departures out of 6000 it really bones me.
 
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