Dash 8 Landing incident EHAM

Was the landing gear an issue before? It "looked" down and locked, but I'm just curious as to if was showing down...or if they were landing with a known issue.

(The Dash 8 manual actually says it's better to land gear up than with one gear in question)
 
Cessnaflyer said:
That looked like quite a stiff landing. Did all the Q400's get fixed for the gear problem?
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The gear problems weren't really the Q400...more an SAS issue, 2 of those were caused by them using a pesticide that wasn't approved (it was eating away at seals), and one was caused by a MX guy using an unapproved part.

I've had personally some very hard landings in the Q400, but nothing to snap a gear!
 
SurferLucas said:
The gear problems weren't really the Q400...more an SAS issue, 2 of those were caused by them using a pesticide that wasn't approved (it was eating away at seals), and one was caused by a MX guy using an unapproved part.

I've had personally some very hard landings in the Q400, but nothing to snap a gear!
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That's good! I never followed up on that investigation after I got moved to the ATR.

I've also had some memorable landings into Kapalua, but the mass of a 100 is quite a bit less than the Q!
 
Looks like they caught a good sink at the end along with some full aileron deflection. Wind shear?


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@Skåning , the Q400 offers very little in the flare on a good day (5 deg pitch is where we make a call to warn of tail strike...8 deg you'll drag it)

If it's gusty/LLWS, the Q400 is like a big-ass weathervane...almost no flare on landing.
 
SurferLucas said:
@Skåning , the Q400 offers very little in the flare on a good day (5 deg pitch is where we make a call to warn of tail strike...8 deg you'll drag it)

If it's gusty/LLWS, the Q400 is like a big-ass weathervane...almost no flare on landing.
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Little flare but you arrest the sink rate at least, in the pax video it looks like that didnt happen. It was hard to see in the videos, but if the gear is collapsed will the prop touch the ground?
 
SurferLucas said:
@Skåning , the Q400 offers very little in the flare on a good day (5 deg pitch is where we make a call to warn of tail strike...8 deg you'll drag it)

If it's gusty/LLWS, the Q400 is like a big-ass weathervane...almost no flare on landing.
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From many friends at QX, I've heard it's damn near impossible to have a smooth landing in gusty winds. Although most of the QX flights I have been on during windy days the landings have been very well done.
 
Oh yes, that prop was "dusting" the runway. The pax video didn't seem like they hit that hard, no harder than Delta into SAV last night. I've lowered my share of field elevations with a Dash8, possible problem with that main to begin with??


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JDean3204 said:
From many friends at QX, I've heard it's damn near impossible to have a smooth landing in gusty winds. Although most of the QX flights I have been on during windy days the landings have been very well done.
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It can be challenging to get a smooth landing if you're landing with (full) 35 flaps, you get tossed around like an inflatable pool toy. It's not so hard with 15 flaps though, which is what we normally used at Culligan, the plane gets tossed bit but I'd say about half as much maybe. I still don't get why people had/have such a hard time landing the Q. Sure the super stiff gear made getting a greaser a challenge, but not a nice touchdown. The number of folks who consistently slammed it on is astounding.

In this incident, looks like the right main just collapsed. Excessive side load right at touchdown maybe?
 
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