Dash 8 Landing incident EHAM

For whatever reason, empty landings in that airplane had a 85% chance of being absolutely humiliating.

Like- scrap the plane and turn in your wings bad. You think you've got it, looks like a nice one, next thing you know your headset is in your lap, and the crew O2 masks have all fallen out of the holders on the wall.

Reality was - @ flaps 15 the deck angle on App was already 3 degrees, by the grace of excellent ground effect and the smallest touch of flare- the wheels didn't go through the wings.
 
The Dash was an easy airplane to fly, handled xwinds no problem, very stable. But damn, getting a smooth landing was almost always a sign you did something wrong.


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TUCKnTRUCK said:
For whatever reason, empty landings in that airplane had a 85% chance of being absolutely humiliating.

Like- scrap the plane and turn in your wings bad. You think you've got it, looks like a nice one, next thing you know your headset is in your lap, and the crew O2 masks have all fallen out of the holders on the wall.
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I don't know what it is about empty airplanes generally, but my worst landings always seem to be when there's nobody around other than the FO and possibly an FA and a re-positioning crew.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I don't know what it is about empty airplanes generally, but my worst landings always seem to be when there's nobody around other than the FO and possibly an FA and a re-positioning crew.
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I'd always give the empty repo leg to my IOE students. Just outside of the FAF I'd turn to them, and in complete deadpan voice say, " Don't worry it's not your fault" Then resume normal callouts.

After what amounted to a semi-controlled crash I'd look back over, see the panic in their eyes and repeat, "it's not your fault" can't type what they would usually say on here... but it was often good fun at the bar later. that also meant I NEVER gave an IOE guy first leg if it was empty...
 
I dunno. Never flown a Q400 as a pilot, but have flown on Porter Q400s numerous times to/from EWR/YTZ and every single time they were great landings (even in EWR gusty winds). And with the short runway at YTZ as well.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I dunno. Never flown a Q400 as a pilot, but have flown on Porter Q400s numerous times to/from EWR/YTZ and every single time they were great landings (even in EWR gusty winds). And with the short runway at YTZ as well.
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Once you get it figured out, and have a decent load of pax it's actually not a bad landing plane. Empty and new? Slam-fest
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
For whatever reason, empty landings in that airplane had a 85% chance of being absolutely humiliating.

Like- scrap the plane and turn in your wings bad. You think you've got it, looks like a nice one, next thing you know your headset is in your lap, and the crew O2 masks have all fallen out of the holders on the wall.
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Haha, 100% TRUE statement!!! Even up to a split second before touchdown you think you're finally gonna get a good landing with an empty airplane then you slam it into the ground. All you can do at that point is curse!
 
WS said:
Haha, 100% TRUE statement!!! Even up to a split second before touchdown you think you're finally gonna get a good landing with an empty airplane then you slam it into the ground. All you can do at that point is curse!
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"Ah frak, hold on" does not make the forward FA feel good when uttered about 4' off the ground.
 
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