Trump directive interfering with ADs

BajtheJino said:
Just curious, why do you think thinning out regulations is a bad idea.
For example, and I'm just shooting from the hip, what if its two regulations from say 50 years ago that are still on the books but have nothing to do with any industry standards or economic policies but its for how long the crank handle must be on a Model T Ford and the use of wooden wheels on spare tires. I think we can all agree that in an example as outlandish as that, that we could do with those two being filed in the round cabinet.
I think we can all agree that the media does a pretty poor job of disseminating REAL news. Fox, Cnn, PMSNBC, their one goal is to sell advertising and make sure that people are tuning in 14-16 hrs a day. So they write articles to incite, outrage, disgust. At no time in the article did they say that the FAA is not allowed to put out AD's. At no time in the article did they quote anyone from the FAA. AD's are put out for safety. The CNN article specifically states that the EO does not include anything to do with safety...and two or three other things.

Don't believe the Hype
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It's ridiculously "cartoonish" and simplistic.

More like a modern iteration of "Kids gotta learn the 'Three R's'.. and maybe tree pruning"

I started believing "The Hype" mid last week.
 
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Seggy said:
Airlines to not be considered vital to the economy.
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I buy that, but the real reason the RLA is the way that it is (and correct me if I'm wrong) is because one railroad going on strike could have indeed paralyzed (or it may still paralyze) the national transportation system.

On the other hand, Spirit (for example) parks the airplanes and the only people that notice are the bare-feet bare-farers. It might be inconvenient and there might be a need to find places to park aforementioned airplanes, but it's not a calamitous paralysis like you could get from parking a bunch of freight trains where all the lines meet, and walking off.

Aren't strikes supposed to be economically damaging? "You think you don't need us? Think again." My ex was all bent out of shape about the longshoremen striking on the west coast because it had a nasty ripple effect on the retail industry...which is, as I understand it, part of the point of concerted activity.
 
Skåning said:
Well then enlighten us, what would it take for us to strike at will?
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What Mark said or for us to be covered under the NLRA and have a contract expire.

But if we were under the NLRA as it's written, or without strong contractual language to the contrary, union locals might be setup by base or equipment. So you could have the United Air Lines 757 Operators Local 7ER in EWR bidding for flying against United Air Lines 757 operators local IAH757A in IAH, and then furloughs would happen in EWR because the IAH pilots under bid them, because they have their own contract, and pilots are employed by individual bases and not the entire company.

This is exactly how factory labor unions are setup, and what happens.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
BajtheJino said:
Just curious, why do you think thinning out regulations is a bad idea.
For example, and I'm just shooting from the hip, what if its two regulations from say 50 years ago that are still on the books but have nothing to do with any industry standards or economic policies but its for how long the crank handle must be on a Model T Ford and the use of wooden wheels on spare tires. I think we can all agree that in an example as outlandish as that, that we could do with those two being filed in the round cabinet.
I think we can all agree that the media does a pretty poor job of disseminating REAL news. Fox, Cnn, PMSNBC, their one goal is to sell advertising and make sure that people are tuning in 14-16 hrs a day. So they write articles to incite, outrage, disgust. At no time in the article did they say that the FAA is not allowed to put out AD's. At no time in the article did they quote anyone from the FAA. AD's are put out for safety. The CNN article specifically states that the EO does not include anything to do with safety...and two or three other things.

Don't believe the Hype
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Well there you have it.


http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/8/donald-trumps-1-2-out-regulation-order-targeted-la/

Wouldn't it be even more expensive to pull to old laws off the books than just leaving them? Who decides what laws and what law goes? I forsee the AG being tied up in court and wasting our tax money with different groups challenging laws that are attempted to be pull off the books.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I buy that, but the real reason the RLA is the way that it is (and correct me if I'm wrong) is because one railroad going on strike could have indeed paralyzed (or it may still paralyze) the national transportation system.
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That is certainly a part of it, absolutely. But....

On the other hand, Spirit (for example) parks the airplanes and the only people that notice are the bare-feet bare-farers. It might be inconvenient and there might be a need to find places to park aforementioned airplanes, but it's not a calamitous paralysis like you could get from parking a bunch of freight trains where all the lines meet, and walking off.
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there is more to it today. The NMB (and White House) takes a broader look at the economic impact of a potential strike.....Even when Spirit parked their airplanes, A LOT of folks were effected by it and it. For example, if you strike employees of other departments of the company wouldn't get paid, folks might be out of money on prepaid vacations, etc. Also, 'national transportation system' today doesn't necessarily mean these whole United States. If Hawaiian was to strike, would it effect the East? Nope, but it would cripple a state though.

Aren't strikes supposed to be economically damaging? "You think you don't need us? Think again." My ex was all bent out of shape about the longshoremen striking on the west coast because it had a nasty ripple effect on the retail industry...which is, as I understand it, part of the point of concerted activity.
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They are supposed to be economically damaging to the company you work for. Not the economics of the United States under the RLA.
 
jtrain609 said:
What Mark said or for us to be covered under the NLRA and have a contract expire.

But if we were under the NLRA as it's written, or without strong contractual language to the contrary, union locals might be setup by base or equipment. So you could have the United Air Lines 757 Operators Local 7ER in EWR bidding for flying against United Air Lines 757 operators local IAH757A in IAH, and then furloughs would happen in EWR because the IAH pilots under bid them, because they have their own contract, and pilots are employed by individual bases and not the entire company.

This is exactly how factory labor unions are setup, and what happens.

Be careful what you wish for.
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Well said.

The other thing I will add that is a HUGE advantage with the RLA is that contracts do not expire.
 
Mandatory retirements are keeping Americans from keeping their jobs.

Looking forward to seeing that one go, so I can fly pax until I can no longer hold a medical. I didn't want to retire anyways. Commuter fo lyfe
 
Not sure if this has been discussed here, but one would think the 1,500 hour rule might be up on the chopping block under a Trump admin, right?
 
Seggy said:
Actually, I am not so sure about that.

Chris Collins (early supporter of Trump) is a HUGE supporter of that rule.

http://buffalonews.com/2017/02/01/schumer-gillibrand-vow-fight-air-safety-rules/

I would also think that Schumer would ensure a change wasn't made on his end.
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Interesting read - wasn't aware it was even an issue, was just speculating. I'm seeing a lot of noise from small and medium sized airport execs who believe the pilot shortage is what's killing their markets. If they work hand in hand with the US Travel Association or the national Chamber of Commerce, they could get some steam. Will be interesting to see.
 
It's the consumer.

We had air service from VIS to LAX and SFO for a period of time, but people will literally drive 200 miles to SFO or LAX to save $20.
 
The valley's most popular modifier: "It's CHEE'per"

It's not economically viable to bring a $250,000,000-plus airplane to Chino Valley, Arizona to fill it full of value travelers to Paris.
 
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