Ok, I'll eat the crow I deserve, or how I learned to love the Bus.

Lunchbox said:
If a large gust of wind blew the wing up on an approach for example while hand flying then the computer would lower the wing without pilot input. The response is not instantaneous so the natural reaction would be to lower the wing yourself like we're all use to doing but by the time you do that the computer will also add its own input and now you have double correction. The end result would be a lot of unnecessary overcontrolling back and forth. It's weird getting use to since the bus has taken away maybe 25% of our old stick and rudder job. Don't get me wrong the Airbus is a great plane and the French engineers where really some smart peeps but I was listing the reasons why it's not my personal favorite. I could list a lot more but I think I hit my post limit for this thread and I don't want to sound like I'm complaining since I thoroughly enjoy the job we have.
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Don't go! There's no post limit is there?

So wait, your at say 20 feet and flaring ('Retard'), a gust lifts a wing, do you or do you not correct?
 
Lunchbox said:
3/4 cross is not much aileron at all. Are you trying to say that's how you flew the Boeing by only putting in the equivalent of 3/4 cross during a strong crosswind takeoff?
No, I changed the way the plane looks and lands because of what's in the Airbus manual. The prefered landing technique in the manual is to keep the crab until the flare which was not how I flew previously before the bus.
You are over thinking my last comment about an average pilot, it's not a mindframe but a joke to summarize the plane. I enjoy hand flying in gusty conditions with a plane that requires more finesse and doesn't have a computer make gust corrections for me and automatically trim. It's all personal preference though.
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Yes, the boeings we would put in only enough aileron to where we were pretty sure the spoilers weren't coming up.

The kicking the crab out in the flare has been how to land every airliner I've flown (reference previous list of canadair, boeings, and fifi)... what were you on before?

You can get out in front of the plane good in gusty conditions-- sounds like this may be your first large airliner? The 757 and 767 was just as susceptible to getting out of phase with lots of large inputs resulting in PIOs (on fifi we call it churning butter/stirring the stick).
 
Why are the 767 bogey wheels forward tilting? I have yet to have a greaser landing being on a 767. It seems every time pilots slam that thing on, and my guess is that bogey set-up. The 757 is normal: bogey slightly tilted up so rear wheels of the main bogey hit and then the forward wheels of bogey. The A330 is the best! Two separate touchdowns is how smooth it is. 777 bogey tilted slightly up as well, good touchdowns.

So..... what's up with the 767?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Why are the 767 bogey wheels forward tilting? I have yet to have a greaser landing being on a 767. It seems every time pilots slam that thing on, and my guess is that bogey set-up. The 757 is normal: bogey slightly tilted up so rear wheels of the main bogey hit and then the forward wheels of bogey. The A330 is the best! Two separate touchdowns is how smooth it is. 777 bogey tilted slightly up as well, good touchdowns.

So..... what's up with the 767?
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Because it is, ROLL THE BONES.
 
Toobdrvr said:
Meh.

I chuckle when AB pilots turn A/P off to try and make a descent.

"If Otto can't do it, you probably can't either."

If 180kt OP DES, Flap 2, and Brakes out won't make it, it was never meant to be...
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*pressing forward stick*

*why are we accelerating?"

"If you're not going to follow the flight director, you need to turn it off"

"That's stupid"

(Nah son, you are)
 
Louie1975 said:
Don't go! There's no post limit is there?

So wait, your at say 20 feet and flaring ('Retard'), a gust lifts a wing, do you or do you not correct?
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You'd be in normal law flare mode at that point so it would fly just like a normal jet below 50' AGL. At the end of the day it's just an airplane and some people tend to over analyze the details when you take the time to point them out.
 
Derg said:
*pressing forward stick*

*why are we accelerating?"

"If you're not going to follow the flight director, you need to turn it off"

"That's stupid"

(Nah son, you are)
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Or the Autothrust needs to be in SPEED mode right? (to a certain extent).
 
Louie1975 said:
Or the Autothrust needs to be in SPEED mode right? (to a certain extent).
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Yup! I honestly hate the "if you're not following the flight directors, turn them off" thing. The key is to BE AWARE OF YOUR THRUST MODE.

If you're in V/S, sure you can ignore the bars. If you're in OP DES or OP CLB (FLCH for you boeing and EMB guys) and need to wiggle around a build up... sure you can ignore the roll bar.. just maintain the pitch bar.

This is why I'm so passionate when someone makes a statement like "the airbus makes you into a button pusher/average pilot/some other stupid mantra." It is an airplane first and foremost and you have to be intentional and fly it just like any other modern jet! Know and have a mastery of all levels of automation, including completely off (yes, you can turn it all off on fifi). When you become a button pusher or resign to not being a pilot, you've gone off the rails... you're dangerous (chomps teeth and makes Iceman face). :stir:
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
"Yeah well, at Mesaba I could just push the nose down..."
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I would backhand you so hard, all you'd hear is the blood whoosh out of your head and the sound of your molars striking the glareshield like a junebug, in the summertime, striking your windshield on a quiet country road.

"Well, back at Compass…"
 
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PeanuckleCRJ said:
Yes, the boeings we would put in only enough aileron to where we were pretty sure the spoilers weren't coming up.

The kicking the crab out in the flare has been how to land every airliner I've flown (reference previous list of canadair, boeings, and fifi)... what were you on before?

You can get out in front of the plane good in gusty conditions-- sounds like this may be your first large airliner? The 757 and 767 was just as susceptible to getting out of phase with lots of large inputs resulting in PIOs (on fifi we call it churning butter/stirring the stick).
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I'm not sure what you mean since I haven't gotten out in front of the plane in my short time on the bus, only have about 1k hours. It doesn't fly any differently than any of the smaller jets I've flown but what is different is the inputs required and the pilot vs computer ratio of those inputs.


PeanuckleCRJ said:
Yup! I honestly hate the "if you're not following the flight directors, turn them off" thing. The key is to BE AWARE OF YOUR THRUST MODE.

If you're in V/S, sure you can ignore the bars. If you're in OP DES or OP CLB (FLCH for you boeing and EMB guys) and need to wiggle around a build up... sure you can ignore the roll bar.. just maintain the pitch bar.

This is why I'm so passionate when someone makes a statement like "the airbus makes you into a button pusher/average pilot/some other stupid mantra." It is an airplane first and foremost and you have to be intentional and fly it just like any other modern jet! Know and have a mastery of all levels of automation, including completely off (yes, you can turn it all off on fifi). When you become a button pusher or resign to not being a pilot, you've gone off the rails... you're dangerous (chomps teeth and makes Iceman face). :stir:
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I feel like that is sloppy advice to leave the FD's on even if you're aware of your thrust mode. Most of us new to the bus understand thrust modes and what thrust will be commanded when you don't follow the flight directors since it's not different vs many other planes but I just feel like it's leaving clutter and not keeping your workspace clean but that is just technique. It also removes another layer of protection if you make a mistake in your logic of how the system works and trust me, I've seen people do it.
You're over thinking my comment about the plane making you average, it was purely about the reduced skill required for the airbus stick and rudder portion of flying not a mind frame of giving up and accepting mediocracy. It sounds like you may over analyze often.
 
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