Ok, I'll eat the crow I deserve, or how I learned to love the Bus.

[milleR]

This is fun.

If it weren't for the dates you'd never guess there was a six month gap in there.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

If it weren't for the dates you'd never guess there was a six month gap in there.

SSE[1]. It keeps happening.

Asiana 214 is fresh on my mind for class this week, as well.

[1] same ... stuff, everywhere

 

[MikeD]

My point is, unless you're on the 'Bus where it is le prohibited, when you turn stuff off, you might as well turn it all off and work out the cognitive part, and not just the psychomotor part.

Completely understandable with an aircraft where there are restrictions or prohibitions on doing such things, to not do it. No issue there.

Someday, you may *have* to do this by hand.

We had a deferred autopilot on a 200-1/2 day in MSP once; that was actually one of the better flying days, in terms of effort-versus-how-satisfied-I-felt, I've had.

Like you say, it's all a matter of doing it smartly when you're going to do it for practice, and in the appropriate time and place as well as in the proper way....i.e, using the same confirmations you would when automated, then getting some hand flying done in that process.

 

[jtrain609]

Handflying skills atrophy faster than one expects. But with the "high-threat" caveat, added, I can't disagree. Our job, first and foremost, is the safety of our passengers. Still, I take the opportunity to handfly as much as I can in "reduced threat" areas... or if the automation decides, say, that a GP into the ground is a good idea.

I don't personally believe that Mr. Blue was suggesting being an idiot for the sake of vanity, and I think he deserves a bit more implicit respect in consideration. I have yet to ever see him hold an attitude or line of thinking that is contrary to safety.

~Fox

You don't know him like I do. Tall Doug commonly suggests being an idiot.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

What do you mean by you're on the 'Bus where it is le prohibited. What's prohibited?

 

[Autothrust Blue]

You don't know him like I do. Tall Doug commonly suggests being an idiot.

Says the hack, of course.

What do you mean by you're on the 'Bus where it is le prohibited. What's prohibited?

I'm pretty sure, at least one of my American friends mentioned it, that autothrott...thrust disengaged at night is not permitted - that may be airline-specific, however.

 

[L-16B]

Says the hack, of course.


I'm pretty sure, at least one of my American friends mentioned it, that autothrott...thrust disengaged at night is not permitted - that may be airline-specific, however.

It's not prohibited at night as far as I know at AA. I'll check the manuals. I can tell a difference on which airline the captain came from and if he squirms when you disconnect.

 

[nimslow]

It's not prohibited at night as far as I know at AA. I'll check the manuals. I can tell a difference on which airline the captain came from and if he squirms when you disconnect.

That used to be a thing at LAA, when the airplane was new. It's been gone for a while.

From now on, I'll confine my bitching to the baby Boeing. After giving the books a quick once over, I'm not finding a lot to love. Except the HUD, that seems pretty neat. In typical form, I have to do a check ride on the bus the end July, and my 73 training should start in August. I'll probably have a week or so to get all the aerosim stuff done, just like when I left the 80.

 

[JordanD]

No, but we see plenty of the fruits of Tolouse....

I know this is a 6 month old post, but I just have to point out how hilarious it is that the plane comes at like a 120 degree angle behind where they were both looking with a shocked expression.

 

[Dised101]

Though you are never really "hand flying the Bus", I do try to hand fly as often as I can, day and night.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

People hesitant to take off autothrust or autothrottles? Then Asiana happens. But, but! It was supposed to hold my speed!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

People hesitant to take off autothrust or autothrottles? Then Asiana happens. But, but! It was supposed to hold my speed!

Eh, something like that.

Either (1) know which mode they're in and what they're doing or (2) TURN THEM OFF.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I really think Le'Bus (at least the 320 family) gets a far worse reputation from pilots than what it deserves.

 

[Cruise]

I really think Le'Bus (at least the 320 family) gets a far worse reputation from pilots than what it deserves.

And most of that comes from people having ZERO time in said Airbus.

 

[derg]

This feels like flying with a "flow".

Lots of talk about the Airbus and then, BOOM, "Back on the 170…"

Then I be like:

 

[derg]

Says the hack, of course.


I'm pretty sure, at least one of my American friends mentioned it, that autothrott...thrust disengaged at night is not permitted - that may be airline-specific, however.

Airline specific.

We have no such restriction.

 

[Roger Roger]

This feels like flying with a "flow".

Lots of talk about the Airbus and then, BOOM, "Back on the 170…"

Then I be like:

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I mean, I get that they're different airplanes and stuff doesn't transfer necessarily but when people complain about this I can't help but wonder...we're pilots man, talking about airplanes we flew is what we DO. Whether it's the Cessna we learned in, the cub we used to own before the kids came along, or the jet we just came over from.

 

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure, at least one of my American friends mentioned it, that autothrott...thrust disengaged at night is not permitted - that may be airline-specific, however.

That would be a really stupid restriction.

Relegating all manual thrust landings to daytime makes you practice that when you can barely even see the screen that shows your engine information if you're wearing sunglasses and thermals are making final approach bumpy and tossing the airspeed up and down. Certainly not a problem to have them off but I can't see it being ideal for someone who did every landing with them on in the past few months and wants to practice a manual one.

Turning them off at night opens up options like a nice quiet approach into an outstation late at night when ATC chatter is non-existant, sequencing between other traffic is not applicable, and the air is still.

But the dumbest thing of all for me would be the fact that the simulators in which we learn to fly these machines always look like nighttime, whether it is a daylight scenario or not!

If the above rule is true at any operator, it would surely have been created by someone who flies a desk more than anything else.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

This feels like flying with a "flow".

Lots of talk about the Airbus and then, BOOM, "Back on the 170…"

Then I be like:

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"At UND..."

That would be a really stupid restriction.

Relegating all manual thrust landings to daytime makes you practice that when you can barely even see the screen that shows your engine information if you're wearing sunglasses and thermals are making final approach bumpy and tossing the airspeed up and down. Certainly not a problem to have them off but I can't see it being ideal for someone who did every landing with them on in the past few months and wants to practice a manual one.

Turning them off at night opens up options like a nice quiet approach into an outstation late at night when ATC chatter is non-existant, sequencing between other traffic is not applicable, and the air is still.

But the dumbest thing of all for me would be the fact that the simulators in which we learn to fly these machines always look like nighttime, whether it is a daylight scenario or not!

If the above rule is true at any operator, it would surely have been created by someone who flies a desk more than anything else.

Preaching to the converted, sir.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I mean, I get that they're different airplanes and stuff doesn't transfer necessarily but when people complain about this I can't help but wonder...we're pilots man, talking about airplanes we flew is what we DO. Whether it's the Cessna we learned in, the cub we used to own before the kids came along, or the jet we just came over from.

Jets are jets.

Diddling with the MCP/GP/FCP/whatever-P is a no-no unless you can tell me why you're doing what you're doing.

"Well on the Brasilia..."