4 fatal in Nevada EMS FW crash into parking lot

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he called 911. But I wonder if it occurred to the guy to, you know, help, rather than just post the video on social media.
 
Cptnchia said:
Help how? There was no helping to get anyone out of that.
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Clear the area. Establish a perimeter. See if there are any ground-based injuries needing help. If nothing else, prevent further deaths, injuries or damage.
 
Flying Saluki said:
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he called 911. But I wonder if it occurred to the guy to, you know, help, rather than just post the video on social media.
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Grab a bucket of water or a fire extinguisher or something!!!!!

Don't just stand and record it! Some people...
 
IslandFlyer said:
Grab a bucket of water or a fire extinguisher or something!!!!!

Don't just stand and record it! Some people...
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Some people just watch/live life and events through their phone and are more of a hindrance than of any kind of help.
 
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IslandFlyer said:
Grab a bucket of water or a fire extinguisher or something!!!!!

Don't just stand and record it! Some people...
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Thanks for the laugh! However, disregarding the fact that pouring water on a liquid fuel fire is a really bad idea, a bucket of it or a fire extinguisher isn't going to do jack. It would take nothing less than a full CFR response to deal with that.

The vast majority of the population have no training or thought process to deal with or handle the extreme shock associated with witnessing a violent event like that.
 
Cptnchia said:
Thanks for the laugh! However, disregarding the fact that pouring water on a liquid fuel fire is a really bad idea, a bucket of it or a fire extinguisher isn't going to do jack. It would take nothing less than a full CFR response to deal with that.

The vast majority of the population have no training or thought process to deal with or handle the extreme shock associated with witnessing a violent event like that.
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Sad as it is, this.
There was a twin piston crash a number of years back by Kiev in Ukraine.
A guy who was having a picnic with his wife and kids, saw the plane crash, ran over to help and got there a second before the fuel from the breached tanks caught on fire. Just a stroke of bad luck, the fuel ran downhill from where the plane was, so almost no fire damage to the airframe, occupants died at impact and the poor dude burned to death trying to reach them, right in front of his family.
I can still very vividly remember cringing when I read that.

PS Checked my facts - 10 years ago, the guy was hospitalized with 70%of the body area burns,died in the hospital
 
IslandFlyer said:
Grab a bucket of water or a fire extinguisher or something!!!!!
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Cptnchia said:
Thanks for the laugh! However, disregarding the fact that pouring water on a liquid fuel fire is a really bad idea, a bucket of it or a fire extinguisher isn't going to do jack. It would take nothing less than a full CFR response to deal with that.

The vast majority of the population have no training or thought process to deal with or handle the extreme shock associated with witnessing a violent event like that.
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Trust me, the radiant heat alone won't allow one to get anywhere near that fire, to have an effect with any kind of fire extinguisher.

In my full proximity suit (silvers), I'm protected to ~500 degrees F, and I'm feeling heat from many yards away from the ~1000 degree F+ Jet A fire thats raging, before I'm even close enough for a 1.5 inch handline stream to effectively reach the flames. Hence why CFR firefighting for initial knockdown, is done from the cab of the truck, with the firefighters inside the cab in full proximity gear and the cab protected by sprinkling systems.

Hell, even the wildland controlled burn we had last week was burning hot enough in places where it was unapproachable in wildland gear to do controlling with water lines on it. Someone in street clothes isn't going to stand a chance of doing much near the fire area unfortunately.

There are times to drop the camera and try and help indeed. Unfortunately, a situation like this is one where there isn't much even a trained person can do, without the right equipment at hand.
 
Roger Roger said:
Yeah, kind of weird, I didn't assume there were that many of them still flying much less in EMS roles. That fleet isn't getting any younger and the first one definitely sounded equipment/mx related.
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We retired the last of our PA-42 Cheyenne III airborne interceptor birds out of Jacksonville just a few years ago. Those birds were pretty beat up and run down, part and parcel from the environment they were based in.
 
To give you an idea, the below is about 50 or so feet from the edge of the main aircraft fire on a PKP dry chemical line attack, and I'm starting to bake a little already inside the full gear. No way some street clothes person is going to do anything effective.



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MikeD said:
Trust me, the radiant heat alone won't allow one to get anywhere near that fire, to have an effect with any kind of fire extinguisher.

In my full proximity suit (silvers), I'm protected to ~500 degrees F, and I'm feeling heat from many yards away from the ~1000 degree F+ Jet A fire thats raging, before I'm even close enough for a 1.5 inch handline stream to effectively reach the flames. Hence why CFR firefighting for initial knockdown, is done from the cab of the truck, with the firefighters inside the cab in full proximity gear and the cab protected by sprinkling systems.

Hell, even the wildland controlled burn we had last week was burning hot enough in places where it was unapproachable in wildland gear to do controlling with water lines on it. Someone in street clothes isn't going to stand a chance of doing much near the fire area unfortunately.

There are times to drop the camera and try and help indeed. Unfortunately, a situation like this is one where there isn't much even a trained person can do, without the right equipment at hand.
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I knew you'd be along to explain it better than me.
 
tlove482 said:
Even if you can't help, why would you want to video someone burning to death?
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Giving benefit of the doubt only, I'm thinking that may possibly not fully register in the shock of the moment, the actual death and such, only because it's not being physically seen at the moment. The shock of the moment may only be registering as a plane crash and a fire, because that's whats presented in front of them.

Not making an excuse for them, just articulating what the shock factor of the situation at the moment may possibly register as. I could be completely wrong too.
 
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