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O.K, you lost me. I'll combine your posts to see if it makes more sense:
PhilosopherPilot said:
I know the instructor well. Without going into detail, the trainee made an off-color joke. The instructor reciprocated. The lesson didn't go well, and the trainee threw the instructor headlong into the bus.

The trainee was weak. Very weak. He was getting fired no matter what. But he took the instructor with him. Yes, the instructor displayed bad judgement. Yes, he should've known better. We have all made off-color jokes before, and didn't get caught/turned in. I don't think the trainee [going] through the normal training process fits the crime. But that's just my opinion.
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No, I'm still lost!
 
dustoff17 said:
O.K, you lost me. I'll combine your posts to see if it makes more sense:

No, I'm still lost!
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Maybe you're lost because your reading comprehension sucks and you didn't even accurately quote him. I read it correctly the first time and I re-read it when you raised the "huh?" question and the only thing that sticks is that you read it wrong. To purposely quote it wrong is a whole new level. Try again.
 
dustoff17 said:
O.K, you lost me. I'll combine your posts to see if it makes more sense:

No, I'm still lost!
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You misread my posts. The instructor got fired. The punishment (instructor getting fired) didn't fit the crime (instructor's bad judgement/making an inappropriate joke).

Look, I'm all for making sure the workplace isn't hostile. But damn. It seems we've gone a bit far. This whole "zero tolerance" thing has me baffled. How can someone learn from their mistakes if they are executed after making a mistake?
 
SpiceWeasel said:
Maybe you're lost because your reading comprehension sucks and you didn't even accurately quote him. I read it correctly the first time and I re-read it when you raised the "huh?" question and the only thing that sticks is that you read it wrong. To purposely quote it wrong is a whole new level. Try again.
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I didn't quote it wrong, apparently YOU misread MY post! I stated that I was going to combine the two posts so I could substitute the word "punishment" with what @PhilosopherPilot stated HE meant.

PhilosopherPilot said:
You misread my posts. The instructor got fired. The punishment (instructor getting fired) didn't fit the crime (instructor's bad judgement/making an inappropriate joke).

Look, I'm all for making sure the workplace isn't hostile. But damn. It seems we've gone a bit far. This whole "zero tolerance" thing has me baffled. How can someone learn from their mistakes if they are executed after making a mistake?
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@PhilosopherPilot, I couldn't tell from your post if you what exactly you were refereing to as the "crime". Was it the pilot's actions or the instructor's? I got it now. I seriously wasn't trying to be a dick, I was trying to understand your stance.
I think anytime you're in a workplace environment and you show a picture of your naked body, you SHOULD be fired. There are many times that a single action has serious consequences; as aircrew members this is even more true to fact. The instructor made a decision that was way beyond an NFW joke. (IMO)
 
Some people show photos of their families, recent DIY projects, cars... All things they are proud of, maybe he's really proud of it....


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When I show people a Dick pic, i show them this

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dustoff17 said:
I didn't quote it wrong, apparently YOU misread MY post! I stated that I was going to combine the two posts so I could substitute the word "punishment" with what @PhilosopherPilot stated HE meant.


@PhilosopherPilot, I couldn't tell from your post if you what exactly you were refereing to as the "crime". Was it the pilot's actions or the instructor's? I got it now. I seriously wasn't trying to be a dick, I was trying to understand your stance.
I think anytime you're in a workplace environment and you show a picture of your naked body, you SHOULD be fired. There are many times that a single action has serious consequences; as aircrew members this is even more true to fact. The instructor made a decision that was way beyond an NFW joke. (IMO)
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I've already said more than I should publicly on the topic, so I'm out. Have a nice day gentlemen.
 
I go through management sexual harassment training at a giant company. I know they want nothing to with being sued, especially if they had previously suspended an individual for the same thing. Unfortunately harassment has turned into a poison pill that, even if the person who claims it starts it, the supervisor who participated is done at a minimum. Not firing him, if another suit comes up, the lawyers will make a case for a culture of harassment and then the big suites come in.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
You misread my posts. The instructor got fired. The punishment (instructor getting fired) didn't fit the crime (instructor's bad judgement/making an inappropriate joke).

Look, I'm all for making sure the workplace isn't hostile. But damn. It seems we've gone a bit far. This whole "zero tolerance" thing has me baffled. How can someone learn from their mistakes if they are executed after making a mistake?
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Unless I mis-read this extended conversation, the instructor got fired for showing his watch-weenie shot. This is a somewhat extreme reaction, but no one should be surprised by it these days. The prevailing cultural norms say "No! This action crosses a pretty clear line"

In this world, there are mistakes that are egregious enough to justify termination. A few come to mind: reporting for work under the influence; landing with the gear still up. Landing at the wrong airport / on a taxiway / wrong or closed runway, and more.

Management thinking says that if an employee flaunts this particular rule, s/he is likely to flaunt others, some of which are likely to create a situation that is very damn dangerous to life, limb and aircraft.

I think it was Derg who said: "It's their airplane. Fly it the way they want."
 
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