Magenta Line

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I mean a true 6-pack. These are still glass EDI/ADI/Nav with an AP engaged with the PFD for modes (eg, APFC coupled). It wouldn't be that hard to jump onto these from glass RJs.
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@mastermags beat me to it.

I suck at the internet and don't know how to attach a photo, but look at Southwests -300s. Bout zero "glass". Yea those are "going away" but they have been going away for a long time.
 
Alright guys, we're talking about a guy getting his instrument rating. By the time todays private and instrument folks get to the mainline/legacy jobs, those 737-300s and pure six packs will be all gone.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
True, but just follow these online CFI ads. They are all offering large bonuses and quite a few flight schools are glass-only now. For CFI and regional jobs, it's a pilot market.
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Pretty sure none of them care how much "glass cockpit" experience you have.

For what is is worth, I care about 100 times more about the engine monitoring instruments in most pistons than I do about glass avionics. Most of your time is spent watching CHT/TIT/EGT/RPM/MP and fuel flow, not so much the navigation. Ignorance is bliss when you only have a tach, though.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Pretty sure none of them care how much "glass cockpit" experience you have.

For what is is worth, I care about 100 times more about the engine monitoring instruments in most pistons than I do about glass avionics. Most of your time is spent watching CHT/ /EGT/RPM/MP and fuel flow, not so much the navigation. Ignorance is bliss when you only have a tach, though.
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This is why I will never put a multipoint engine monitor in a 135 airplane.
 
I used glass in instrument but just keep in mind that not a lot of flight schools have glass. That being said, if you are going to instruct you might never teach in a glass.

Either way, I don't think it matters....just know how the instruments work. I've seen a lot of CFIs only fly glass and then do a checkride and freak out they don't know round dial instruments for their checkride....
 
The key is that SA (Situational Awareness) is something that exists in your head, not on the panel. You need to know exactly where you are, where you're going, what your plan is, and when you'll get there. Always.

A six-pack—and the thinking through radial intercepts, VOR tracking, identification, DME arcs, etc—absolutely requires you to create and update that mental picture to be a successful instrument pilot.

A glass cockpit will summarize the situation for you and display it, which can lead to underdevelopment or atrophy of SA skills.

-Fox
 
Acrofox said:
The key is that SA (Situational Awareness) is something that exists in your head, not on the panel. You need to know exactly where you are, where you're going, what your plan is, and when you'll get there. Always.

A six-pack—and the thinking through radial intercepts, VOR tracking, identification, DME arcs, etc—absolutely requires you to create and update that mental picture to be a successful instrument pilot.

A glass cockpit will summarize the situation for you and display it, which can lead to underdevelopment or atrophy of SA skills.

-Fox
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An accurate and succinct assessment.
 
Be proficient in both. If you lose your GPS, you better know where you are and how you'll get to the next way point.
 
Acrofox said:
A glass cockpit will summarize the situation for you and display it, which can lead to underdevelopment or atrophy of SA skills.
-Fox
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At the end of the day, an honest self-assessment of performance, and hopefully a debrief from someone watching is what helps. Both can be harder to find than you would think.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
So I've been traveling the valley lately, looking for the right fit for a new flight school/instructor. There is a pretty good mix of schools here in Phoenix. There are several schools here in the valley with older planes, and a few with brand spanking new planes with Garmin 1000.

I got my PPL, back in 2001 flying with the six pack. I'm VERY comfortable flying the six pack. I want to have very strong instrument skills, as a pilot. Having a foundation already flying the six pack, if I should go to the G1000, will my skills flying a six pack retard?

I don't know if it is those that have never flown a six pack during primary training, that have the most problems, when the fancy stuff stops working. Or if it the opposite individuals like me.

But checking the spiffy new planes out at Glendale, et all. I kind of wasn't too impressed with the magenta line, coming from flying the six pack. It kind of did EVERYTHING for you, with a click of a button. I like the pretty displays. But was overstimulated, at the thought of having to figure all the stuff out. But also kind of bored at the thought of putting the plane on autopilot, and also my brain and following the magenta line.

One flight school I went to said that, it was best to learn the G1000 now, because it's the future, and what pilots deal with at the airlines.

Anyway, I'm rambling, after being up for the past 18 hours. So back to the original question. If one has a solid background flying the six pack. Will flying the G1000 coupled with the GFC700, make you a weak instrument pilot? Or a better pilot, as one flight instructor told me. Or will it mess up your proficiency/scan on the six pack?
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S172S?
 
It can always get worse. •, practice radio ranges just before you start doing time/distance/speed. You laugh but I just flew with a guy who lost both FMSes entirely up in Cannuckistan due to latitude (presumably). You'll learn everything you could ever want to know about the magenta down the road. Fundamentals never go away.
 
Acrofox said:
The key is that SA (Situational Awareness) is something that exists in your head, not on the panel. You need to know exactly where you are, where you're going, what your plan is, and when you'll get there. Always.

A six-pack—and the thinking through radial intercepts, VOR tracking, identification, DME arcs, etc—absolutely requires you to create and update that mental picture to be a successful instrument pilot.

A glass cockpit will summarize the situation for you and display it, which can lead to underdevelopment or atrophy of SA skills.

-Fox
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Glass does an excellent job of covering up an instrument pilot's deficiencies as situational awareness of "oh crap where am I?" Is easily shown by the large GPS screen that says "you're right here and you're going this way dummy." Take away the moving map, and have a student fly a whole IFR lesson in green needles and you'll get a good idea of what their situational awareness ability at that time really is.
 
JustinS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Glass does an excellent job of covering up an instrument pilot's deficiencies as situational awareness of "oh crap where am I?" Is easily shown by the large GPS screen that says "you're right here and you're going this way dummy." Take away the moving map, and have a student fly a whole IFR lesson in green needles and you'll get a good idea of what their situational awareness ability at that time really is.
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And THIS is EXACTLY what I worry about!
 
A six-pack will get you down to minimums the same as a G1000 for probably half the cost.
 
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I would fly the six pack as much as possible. it is easy to transfer from the six pack to glass, much harder to transfer from glass to the six pack. or go with whatever plane is cheapest.
 
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