Hotel van tipping etiquette

NovemberEcho said:
To
Insure
Proper
Service

Because America doesn't have the pride or work ethic to provide good service just because it's your job. Also I think restaurant staff shouldn't be exempt from min wage laws. I don't like subsidizing salaries. On the other hand, I always tip the bartenders at my regular haunts very well and def get preferential service because of it.
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They don't tip in standoffish Nordic countries, and the service is better. Although standoffish. :)
 
NovemberEcho said:
I don't care if the origin is true or not, it's still accurate and applies.
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No it doesn't. I used to be a good tipper but I've since started cutting back substantially on what I tip. The poor service I get is not because I tip less than 15%, for I was getting crappy service a lot more often when I tipped well.

Tipping is so fundamentally encouraged that we as a society still feel obligated to tip even for bad service. There is no incentive for a waiter to be good if they know most people are still going to tip.

Ugh, I should NEVER have to monetarily encourage someone to do a good job. Their own pride and the fact that it's their bloody job should be enough To Insure Proper Service.
 
I agree with you. It applies in the sense that under the current system, if they want a good tip then they should provide good service. If they don't, then they don't get a good tip. And as I stated earlier, I think they shouldn't be exempt from the min wage laws because I'm tired of subsidizing an employees salary.
 
poser765 said:
No it doesn't. I used to be a good tipper but I've since started cutting back substantially on what I tip. The poor service I get is not because I tip less than 15%, for I was getting crappy service a lot more often when I tipped well.

Tipping is so fundamentally encouraged that we as a society still feel obligated to tip even for bad service. There is no incentive for a waiter to be good if they know most people are still going to tip.

Ugh, I should NEVER have to monetarily encourage someone to do a good job. Their own pride and the fact that it's their bloody job should be enough To Insure Proper Service.
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The thing is, even though the system sucks, you are not going to change it by tipping less. You make it sound like you tip little even if you receive good service, and the only thing that does is hurt the server.

I can tell you from my time as a server that I always tried to provide great service, mostly because of my pride, but when I had a person skip out on the tip (and I consider 10% skipping out) after good service, I was extremely annoyed. Like it or not, tipping is part of the cost of going out to dinner. Don't take it out on the server because you don't agree with it.
 
CFIscare said:
The thing is, even though the system sucks, you are not going to change it by tipping less. You make it sound like you tip little even if you receive good service, and the only thing that does is hurt the server.

I can tell you from my time as a server that I always tried to provide great service, mostly because of my pride, but when I had a person skip out on the tip (and I consider 10% skipping out) after good service, I was extremely annoyed. Like it or not, tipping is part of the cost of going out to dinner. Don't take it out on the server because you don't agree with it.
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I'm not taking it out on the server... Their employer is by making their employees pay my responsibility. Am I personally going to change the system by not tipping? No. If most people didn't tip then the system would change. Until then I am not going to participate in a system I disagree with and has gotten way out of hand.

Lol, it's the price of eating out. No it isn't. The price of eating out is the price on the menu. Thar line is a line servers use to justify their expectations of a tip.
 
What I've noticed is when I pay via Square (usually startup/hipster type of business), they spin around the ipad and it's "WOULD YOU LIKE TO TIP 10%/15%/20%???" If I enter 0 and sign, the cashier spins it back around and scowls. Why has tipping become in your face- it's supposed to be a personal and discreet thing (at least I believe) that's AFTER the bill has been paid. Not "Let me see how much you're gonna give!"
 
poser765 said:
I'm not taking it out on the server... Their employer is by making their employees pay my responsibility. Am I personally going to change the system by not tipping? No. If most people didn't tip then the system would change. Until then I am not going to participate in a system I disagree with and has gotten way out of hand.

Lol, it's the price of eating out. No it isn't. The price of eating out is the price on the menu. Thar line is a line servers use to justify their expectations of a tip.
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They expect a tip because that is how they are paid. Do you know what my paycheck as a server was? $0. Yes, zero. My pay from the restaurant was $2.15 an hour and was completely wiped out by taxes. So excuse me for expecting to get paid for my services.

You may not agree with the system, but it is the system that currently exists. I stand by my statement that tips are part of the price of eating out.
 
CFIscare said:
They expect a tip because that is how they are paid. Do you know what my paycheck as a server was? $0. Yes, zero. My pay from the restaurant was $2.15 an hour and was completely wiped out by taxes. So excuse me for expecting to get paid for my services.

You may not agree with the system, but it is the system that currently exists. I stand by my statement that tips are part of the price of eating out.
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no, you SHOULD expect to get paid. Your expectation on who should be paying you is what's silly. If you have a problem with low pay, your problem is with your employer, not me as a bad tipper.

You're right, though, it is the system and there is only so far I'm willing to go in it. It's funny that people loathe me for this...that they want to blame me for them having to rely on generosity in order to make money.

You know, as a professional aviator I've been grossly under paid in several of my jobs. I never blamed my students or passengwrs
 
poser765 said:
I'm not taking it out on the server... Their employer is by making their employees pay my responsibility. Am I personally going to change the system by not tipping? No. If most people didn't tip then the system would change. Until then I am not going to participate in a system I disagree with and has gotten way out of hand.

Lol, it's the price of eating out. No it isn't. The price of eating out is the price on the menu. Thar line is a line servers use to justify their expectations of a tip.
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The system is what the system is. You simply not tipping doesn't change it, it just makes you a cheapskate. If you want it to change write your congressman. In the meantime tip for good service or eat at home.
 
I talked to my wife about this and she brought up a retail store she used to shop at that had a tip line on their receipt. A retail, clothing store...asking for a tip. Stupid
 
Ok here's a question...you order takeout from some place like Chilis or Applebee's,do you tip them?


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azmedic said:
Ok here's a question...you order takeout from some place like Chilis or Applebee's,do you tip them?


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I tip $1 to $1.50 because the people taking the orders are generally wait staff who make, as posted above, $2.15/hr and rely on tips. I don't do the standard 10%-20% tip for ordering and picking up to go.
 
exneophyte said:
Interestingly: Joe’s Crab Shack Tried Getting Rid of Tips. It Didn’t Last Long.
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An interesting case study, nonetheless. I found this very intriguing:

"Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said."

Personally I'm incredibly annoyed by everyone having their hand out at establishments. I would by far prefer restaurants where there is a no-tip policy, but it's so entrenched in American culture it will be hard to get away from. Essentially, tips are an expansion on bribes IMO.
 
wheelsup said:
An interesting case study, nonetheless. I found this very intriguing:

"Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said."

Personally I'm incredibly annoyed by everyone having their hand out at establishments. I would by far prefer restaurants where there is a no-tip policy, but it's so entrenched in American culture it will be hard to get away from. Essentially, tips are an expansion on bribes IMO.
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I caught the bolder quote too and found it interesting. I wondered if the suspicion was derived from the pizza delivery industry where they charge a fee that doesn't go to the driver.
 
averettpilot said:
The system is what the system is. You simply not tipping doesn't change it, it just makes you a cheapskate. If you want it to change write your congressman. In the meantime tip for good service or eat at home.
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I love tipping discussions because of responses like this. lol, I mean I get called a name...for disagreeing with the system! lol, for not partaking in an OPTIONAL charge when I am utilizing a service I have just as much right to as someone who tips 20%. No thank you. You may think I am a cheapskate but I really don't care. The waiter may even despise me. Again, don't really care. Chances are I'm not going to be loathed until after I leave, and more often then not (it seems to me), after providing service that doesn't merit almost a quarter of the cost of my damn dinner.

wheelsup said:
An interesting case study, nonetheless. I found this very intriguing:

"Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said."

Personally I'm incredibly annoyed by everyone having their hand out at establishments. I would by far prefer restaurants where there is a no-tip policy, but it's so entrenched in American culture it will be hard to get away from. Essentially, tips are an expansion on bribes IMO.
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Your last line, I feel, really hits it on the head. People tip, because "that's what we are supposed to do." It's been culturally ingrained in us for decades. So many people who work in the service industry are VERY outspoken when it comes to tipping, and the amount of vitriol and disgust they apply to those who don't partake in the system is frightening. People tip, because it's what they feel the HAVE to do, and because they are scared of being confronted as the boogyman who doesn't tip.

Heck I fit this description perfectly. I despise the system yet I can NOT bring myself to not tip at all. I just do a solid 10% instead of the ridiculous percentage (that seems to get higher and higher every year) that I am "required" to tip.
 
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