Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions

juxtapilot said:
Should I email my jumpseat committee after the fact and say, "hey this guy jumpseated but didn't check in?"
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If you feel it would help, sure. Your coordinator will contact their coordinator, who will in turn counsel the offending pilot.
 
juxtapilot said:
@Derg looks like checking in with the captain is not required if given a seat in the back... Just highly encouraged..
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Correct. Y'all are busting on the SJI guy for not checking in, but in our FOM, if you are issued a seat in the back, you are no longer jumpseating, but non revving on an ID0. Not required to stop by, and actually not encouraged to. Just take your seat. We don't even have a clue you're on the airplane. You don't show up as a jumpseater on the WDR, you're listed as a pax.

While not every airline follows this, he may have just ASSumed yours did.
 
Kingairer said:
8 years as captain and never kicked anyone out. I only asked once that I can remember, what the deal was when someone bypassed us, and turns out the guys (in uniform) wife worked for "our" airline so he had non rev privileges.
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Would have maybe been less but noOooOooOoooooooo someone had a wedding to go to.

:)
 
Hmmm if I list for the Jumpseat I like checking in. Gives me a chance to meet some people. A lot of times you run into the same faces.
 
Luigi said:
Hmmm if I list for the Jumpseat I like checking in. Gives me a chance to meet some people. A lot of times you run into the same faces.
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"Sure, take the Jumpseat. But have some damn ice cream this time. I can't trust a guy who turns down free ice cream."

Familiar faces do help pass the time on a 5hr commute.
 
juxtapilot said:
Well, that's easier said than done. The two times I've had "the talk" this year have been during deplaning... And there have been several times I haven't had the opportunity to talk to them. They didn't check in, and nobody told me about them because they had been given a seat in the back. It seems like everyone checks in except for Delta pilots, and all flight attendants... What more can I do? Should I email my jumpseat committee after the fact and say, "hey this guy jumpseated but didn't check in?"
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Shouldn't the southern jets guys be non revving? If they are actually in the j/s sure but if they get a seat in the back I'd imagine they are listed as a s3....unless of course you are referring to flights out of the nest
 
Cptnchia said:
Correct. Y'all are busting on the SJI guy for not checking in, but in our FOM, if you are issued a seat in the back, you are no longer jumpseating, but non revving on an ID0. Not required to stop by, and actually not encouraged to. Just take your seat. We don't even have a clue you're on the airplane. You don't show up as a jumpseater on the WDR, you're listed as a pax.

While not every airline follows this, he may have just ASSumed yours did.
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Yep that's what I'm thinking. No hard feelings anyway... Guess this kind of brings the "lost traditions idea full circle.."

ian said:
Shouldn't the southern jets guys be non revving? If they are actually in the j/s sure but if they get a seat in the back I'd imagine they are listed as a s3....unless of course you are referring to flights out of the nest
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Eagle bro! Lots of DL guys like riding the AE birds, probably has something to do with being on time more than the other side. ;)
 
juxtapilot said:
Yep that's what I'm thinking. No hard feelings anyway... Guess this kind of brings the "lost traditions idea full circle.."



Eagle bro! Lots of DL guys like riding the AE birds, probably has something to do with being on time more than the other side. ;)
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I'm going to start exclusively commuting in your flights
 
Nark said:
Not when the FA's comment to me all the time "I remember you because you stay behind. No one ever does that."
Or like in this specific case, with the 2 FA's that stayed on with us, thanking both the captain and I for having their backs.
"Pilots don't normally come out and help us with Gate Agent issues."

Verbatim quotes from my last trip.
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It's clearly a lost tradition to consider the FAs as part of the crew.

#OneTeam.

Have their back and they'll have yours. Don't...and don't be surprised when they turn you in for being an ass or for jeopardizing safety of flight because you've used vinegar instead of sugar.
 
surreal1221 said:
Have their back and they'll have yours. Don't...and don't be surprised when they turn you in for being an ass or for jeopardizing safety of flight because you've used vinegar instead of sugar.
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Far be it for me to ever tell a guy, "you just don't get it", but I want to point out that the world you live in, where there are just 1 or 2 FAs on a crew and the world of 4 to 10 FAs on a crew is VERY different. Or rather, it has the potential to be. The respect still needs to be there, but the dynamic can change when the cockpit crew is numerically outnumbered and there is a culture of distrust, power struggles and positioning.

Some days I'm very glad I fly a plane with only 3 FAs on it. And (mostly) happy ones at that.
 
BobDDuck said:
Far be it for me to ever tell a guy, "you just don't get it", but I want to point out that the world you live in, where there are just 1 or 2 FAs on a crew and the world of 4 to 10 FAs on a crew is VERY different. Or rather, it has the potential to be. The respect still needs to be there, but the dynamic can change when the cockpit crew is numerically outnumbered and there is a culture of distrust, power struggles and positioning.

Some days I'm very glad I fly a plane with only 3 FAs on it. And (mostly) happy ones at that.
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The dynamic is certainly more complex when you add an exponentially increasing number of cabin crew - yet, in the end...as the Captain, it is your crew and your airplane. Support them as best you can. That's all.
 
surreal1221 said:
The dynamic is certainly more complex when you add an exponentially increasing number of cabin crew - yet, in the end...as the Captain, it is your crew and your airplane. Support them as best you can. That's all.
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That's all well and good, however, it's harder to put in practice when the company implicitly undermines the captain's authority. Example, when SJI renamed the A line FA, "Flight Leader." Try dealing with the mutinous attitude of a person old enough to be your grandma, with 40+ years of seniority, who now believes she's in charge of everything. There's a whole world dynamic you have no clue about. At the end of the day, you'd want to run away as fast as you can too!

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Cptnchia said:
That's all well and good, however, it's harder to put in practice when the company implicitly undermines the captain's authority. Example, when SJI renamed the A line FA, "Flight Leader." Try dealing with the mutinous attitude of a person old enough to be your grandma, with 40+ years of seniority, who now believes she's in charge of everything. There's a whole world dynamic you have no clue about. At the end of the day, you'd want to run away as fast as you can too!

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Gotta crack dat whip if you have to.

Blend in a little, "I'm the captain, if you're not happy, I can't be happy. If you need something, come to me, I'll handle it because they won't question MY decision…because I'm captain". :)

It's kind of like slightly unsheathing your Samurai sword just a little if they need to be brought in line.

I'm all smiles, giggles and jokes, but I'm not going to leave the question of who is in full command of the aircraft up for debate.
 
Derg said:
Gotta crack dat whip if you have to.

Blend in a little, "I'm the captain, if you're not happy, I can't be happy. If you need something, come to me, I'll handle it because they won't question MY decision…because I'm captain". :)

It's kind of like slightly unsheathing your Samurai sword just a little if they need to be brought in line.

I'm all smiles, giggles and jokes, but I'm not going to leave the question of who is in full command of the aircraft up for debate.
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Have you ever had a lead FA in between a turn hold a pair of blue gloves to you and say, "Everyone cleans on my plane."

Been there, got the t-shirt.
 
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