Flydubai Flight 981

Vector4Food said:
The Tartarstan crash makes no sense, just push the nose down and fly it straight into the ground....
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Yes it does for two reasons. The 737 has a really neat feature: If you are doing an approach with only one autopilot engaged and press TO/GA it disconnects :aghast:. If you push the thrust levers up the aircraft pitches up a lot, especially when you think the autopilot is engaged and are not doing anything to counter that pitch up. Then there is somatogravic illusion which was a major cause of the Gulf Air 072 crash.


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typhoonpilot said:
Yes it does for two reasons. The 737 has a really neat feature: If you are doing an approach with only one autopilot engaged and press TO/GA it disconnects :aghast:. If you push the thrust levers up the aircraft pitches up a lot, especially when you think the autopilot is engaged and are not doing anything to counter that pitch up. Then there is somatogravic illusion which was a major cause of the Gulf Air 072 crash.


Typhoonpilot
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Like I said, FTFA. Fly The F'in Airplane. Don't let it fly you.
 
typhoonpilot said:
Yes it does for two reasons. The 737 has a really neat feature: If you are doing an approach with only one autopilot engaged and press TO/GA it disconnects :aghast:. If you push the thrust levers up the aircraft pitches up a lot, especially when you think the autopilot is engaged and are not doing anything to counter that pitch up. Then there is somatogravic illusion which was a major cause of the Gulf Air 072 crash.


Typhoonpilot
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Not knowing the 737, does it normally try to fly coupled approaches with only 1 autopilot? Does the pilot have to select all of them? The 747 is very much not that way.

MikeD said:
Like I said, FTFA. Fly The F'in Airplane. Don't let it fly you.
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I was amazed how much the 74 pitched up in a stall with application of full power. I understand that it should and why, but to see it for the first time is interesting.
 
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typhoonpilot said:
Yes it does for two reasons. The 737 has a really neat feature: If you are doing an approach with only one autopilot engaged and press TO/GA it disconnects :aghast:. If you push the thrust levers up the aircraft pitches up a lot, especially when you think the autopilot is engaged and are not doing anything to counter that pitch up. Then there is somatogravic illusion which was a major cause of the Gulf Air 072 crash.


Typhoonpilot
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ORLY? I don't remember my time on the -200, but that seems to be an idiotic design.
 
Seggy said:
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Yep!
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That seems kind of... silly. I get it in an aircraft without autothrottles, but why in the name of the flying spaghetti monster woud triggering TOGA in a fully automated aircraft disconnect the autopilot if it was on?

Although, like Mike said, fly the damn plane.
 
BobDDuck said:
That seems kind of... silly. I get it in an aircraft without autothrottles, but why in the name of the flying spaghetti monster woud triggering TOGA in a fully automated aircraft disconnect the autopilot if it was on?

Although, like Mike said, fly the damn plane.
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Agree with all you said.

I have no idea why Boeing made it that way.
 
Seggy said:
I wonder how the safety culture is at FlyDubai. Don't they have a lot of 'day trips', few overnights?
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Ex colleague told me: Layovers in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Czech Republic. If you don't bid for them between 0 and 1 per month, depends on seniority. Flying hours between 85 - 95, deadhead doesn't count, so if you have 85 block hours and let's say 3 deadheads you're above 100 hours. It seems like they have a high attrition rate, nearly 10%. Shortage seems to be on the left seat. From what I heard, the rosters are the big issue.
 
typhoonpilot said:
Yes it does for two reasons. The 737 has a really neat feature: If you are doing an approach with only one autopilot engaged and press TO/GA it disconnects :aghast:. If you push the thrust levers up the aircraft pitches up a lot, especially when you think the autopilot is engaged and are not doing anything to counter that pitch up. Then there is somatogravic illusion which was a major cause of the Gulf Air 072 crash.


Typhoonpilot
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Yeah, that and a 600 hr total FO with about 400 in type , just basically along for the ride.
 
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Seggy said:
Agree with all you said.

I have no idea why Boeing made it that way.
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It doesn't make any damned sense.

So technically speaking, you could initiate TOGA, the autopilot clicks off and during all the confusion since the plane is trimmed fora particular airspeed, it's technically going to pitch up to maintain that…more or less.
 
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