Return of the Bronco

I was fully expecting this to be another one of the instances of people seeing a photoshopped picture of a "New" Ford Bronco and excitedly posting it on social media like it's coming back when Ford never actually said anything about doing so... Turns out I was happily wrong! :)
 
Common Missile Warning System and Directed energy IR countermeasures.

Simple fix that won't effect flight performance much considering the massive open area behind the pilots available for black boxes.

Agreed, if they want to put money towards that. Be alot of expense for what few OV-10s there are. None sitting in the boneyard.
 
Remember during Desert Storm (for those here even old enough to remember), the USMC deployed OV-10s to theatre in their VMO squadrons, and lost two of them to MANPADs within a few weeks, with 3 crewmen POW and 1 crewman KIA . The USAF still had about 3 OV-10 TASS squadrons at the time, but didn't deploy them, choosing instead to deploy the OA-10 equipped 23rd TASS for FAC duties, and still had one of them shot up and crash on approach, killing the pilot, and another shot down with the pilot POW.

The area there hasn't changed much in terms of these threats, and I envision the OV-10 having some survivability issues, especially in Syria, in the same way the A-10 has if the threat steps up any.
Always deploy the Broncos. The noise from the Garretts will scare any enemy into confusion, if not submission. :)
 
Simple MX and cheap to fly....

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The ultimate stealth aircraft. Barely any radar, aural, visual, electrical or heat sig. Heck, if somehow you get identified and things get froggy, kill the engine and it still goes the same speed. Getting shot at? Barely noticeable... you don't even notice the holes in the fabric until post-flight!:)
 
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Agreed, if they want to put money towards that. Be alot of expense for what few OV-10s there are. None sitting in the boneyard.

We would arguably be good looking at something like bringing back the dragon fly since they both served the same role and pilots flew either had nothing bad to say about them.

Either way I'm sure there is a major manufacturer in either of the big 3 that would love a >25 million a copy referb and sustainment program. Still cheaper than my helicopter by a long shot.
 
We would arguably be good looking at something like bringing back the dragon fly since they both served the same role and pilots flew either had nothing bad to say about them.

Either way I'm sure there is a major manufacturer in either of the big 3 that would love a >25 million a copy referb and sustainment program. Still cheaper than my helicopter by a long shot.

If the DOD would buy 100, my employer would be happy to furnish new build airframes. I'd love to be a part of that flight test program. Something besides the same commercial and fighter variants we've been testing for decades.

The debate with light attack/dedicated attack aircraft is interesting, seems to get replayed every generation. History shows the assertion that fighters can fill the role is true for a majority of situations, but aircraft like the OV-10, A-1,A-26 and A-10 always find a niche fighting insurgencies.



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If the DOD would buy 100, my employer would be happy to furnish new build airframes. I'd love to be a part of that flight test program. Something besides the same commercial and fighter variants we've been testing for decades.

The debate with light attack/dedicated attack aircraft is interesting, seems to get replayed every generation. History shows the assertion that fighters can fill the role is true for a majority of situations, but aircraft like the OV-10, A-1,A-26 and A-10 always find a niche fighting insurgencies.



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The problem has never been the cost of it during war time, the problem is always getting somebody to own it and keep it working during the down time when everyone's belts get tightened and it has to justify its sole use existence.

That and the fact that no program is fast to develop or acquire in the military because of the mountains of processes and testing/evaluation it takes to go from concept to working in the field full rate. Nothing can be off the shelf because we won't let it be until it survives that sometimes overly drawn out process. Now that's good in some way, like you wouldn't want to field radios and find out the vibration of the truck/track they are in destroys them, but it also means more complex stuff like aircraft take years to decades to get in the game. By then the reason for them to get in the game has changed so much nobody knows or is interested in fighting to get them.

Hell by the end of reading this post our priorities and tactical/strategic directives in conflict X will have changed again.


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Yeah! In a time of such limited budgets that we can't even fulfill the requirements of the National Security Strategy, let's throw money at reverse-engineering a 50-year-old aircraft design!

It'll be better, though, because we'll put wicked cool new screens in the cockpit, 'n' stuff. And there'll be a FLIR ball. Rawk on!
 
CalFire has a fleet of 14, so I would expect there's at least some level of spare parts floating around.
Yeppers, they use them to direct the tankers and water or retardant dropping helicopters where to unload. They had a couple more of them, but I don't know what happened to them unless they have/are using them for parts.
 
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Yeah! In a time of such limited budgets that we can't even fulfill the requirements of the National Security Strategy, let's throw money at reverse-engineering a 50-year-old aircraft design!

It'll be better, though, because we'll put wicked cool new screens in the cockpit, 'n' stuff. And there'll be a FLIR ball. Rawk on!
I read this the other day and fell outta my chair:

The Navy SEALs have been telling a San Diego congressman that they're under-equipped and forced to spend their own money on combat gear, and he is on a quest for answers.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., asked the military's top special operator whyNavy special operators are forced buy some pieces of their own gear and to turn in their firearms at various points in the deployment cycle.

"They don’t get weapons now to work up with for two years. They get their weapon when a guy comes back," Hunter said. "They have to turn that weapon back in again even if they’re still in work-ups and they’re going to deploy nine months later."

It's a different process than between 2001 and 2010, Hunter said, based on the accounts of sailors who have visited his home office.

Army Gen. Josephy Votel, the head of U.S. Special Operations Command, deferred to Rear Adm. Brian Losey's team at Naval Special Warfare Command, adding that the teams' high op tempo might be backing up some maintenance with the weapons.

"This is not a factor of too many rounds going through the weapon," Hunter retorted. "It’s a matter of where the money’s being spent. What are your priorities for the SEALs? If it isn’t having a weapon that stays with you for a deployable term, then what are they?"

Hunter's questioning follows a Feb. 17 letter his office sent to Losey and NSW, arguing it's a problem that some SEALs say they're under-trained -equipped despite their millions of dollars in recent budget boosts.

"More concerning, it is my understanding that there aren't enough weapons for SEAL teams — let alone an individual operator — to have their own weapons," Hunter wrote. "As it currently stands, following a deployment, a SEAL will have his weapon taken from him, which has been fine-tuned to certain specifications, and given to a different operator to use. This means that SEALs standing by to deploy are waiting for different teams to come back stateside just so they can use their weapons."

Hunter requested a report of how the command spend its funds in 2015.

"I can confirm that Congressman Hunter has a congressional inquiry and we're working to provide responses to that," Naval Special Warfare spokesman Cmdr. Jason Salata told Navy Times.

Gear gripes

Hunter's questioning comes a week after he invited a former active-duty operator and current reservist Lt. Cmdr. Sean Matson, who owns a military gear company, to Capitol Hill to discuss these readiness woes, as reported by Stars and Stripes.

Matson said that, as an example, he had to put up $900 of his own money to buy a high-quality ballistic helmet when the Navy dragged its heels on upgrading his kit.

Hunter blames the issue on the command's supply chain, for not issuing the gear the SEALs have asked for quickly enough to make a difference.

"There are also reports of a lack of optics, night vision and laser attachments," Joe Kasper, Hunter's chief of staff, told Navy Times. "All this has happened while the [Operations and Maintenance] budget for Navy Special Warfare has increased. So there are obviously some trade-offs being made, but they’re occurring at the expense of operators and their firepower — and those are the absolute worst trade-offs to make.”

Some inside the Navy, however, question whether operators are truly going without, and if Hunter's inquiry has more to do with vendors like Matson, who would like to speed up the acquisition process to boost their businesses.

"There’s a lot of small business guys that do niche SOF equipment that want to get into the acquisition cycle," said one Navy official, who spoke on background to discuss the inquiry.

"Matson acknowledges that he was in fact issued an appropriate ballistic helmet," the official said. "I don't think it has to do with us not having enough rifles. I think it has to do with, when you want to buy a new sling for that rifle, how do you go about doing it?"

If he wanted a different helmet he felt was better, and bought it himself because he couldn't get it through the stock system, that's a lot different than NSW not properly equipping SEALs, he added.

"You know, we have a group of people in the Navy that do development, they're called Naval Special Warfare Development Group," the official said.

Also known as SEAL Team 6, DEVGRU's acquisition cycle moves much more quickly because the unit is tasked with researching new gear.

"So let's say there was a group of people that had a way bigger mission than just the regular deploying SEAL," he said. "The processes are flatter for some parts of the NSW community than others, and that's what the others want to be like."

Once a request is made for a new piece of gear, it has to go through a series of SOCOM tests and evaluations before it's issued. In many cases, SEALs aren't allowed to deploy with off-the-shelf gear, particularly when it comes to body armor.

According to SOCOM policy, operators are only allowed to deploy with the SPEAR body armor system unless otherwise approved.

"Local purchase of body armor that has not been tested and approved by USSOCOM is prohibited," according to the instruction, obtained by Navy Times.

Speeding up the acquisition process throughout the command, the official said, would allow SEALs to be issued their preferred gear, though it's not clear whether items like helmets and sights can be used on a deployment if they aren't SOCOM-approved.

Kasper confirmed that Hunter is concerned both with SEALs' general readiness, as well as their acquisitions activities.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...-some-navy-seals-buy-their-own-gear/81206616/
 
Did anyone else notice that the article claims that the Broncos are being flown by...Swabos? WTF?

Well, they are former USMC D-model Broncos that went on loan to the ATF, then to the State Department, before being retired. So it stands to reason the Navy would pick them up again.
 
Sorry this was my first thought.



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Common Missile Warning System and Directed energy IR countermeasures.

Simple fix that won't effect flight performance much considering the massive open area behind the pilots available for black boxes.


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Modern countermeasures with a good airframe -- sounds like a plan. Heck, look at the B52. The OV10 can carry a lot and there's all the room in the art bay. If they're looking for airframes, the last I heard there were two sitting in containers at an airport in GA.

I read this the other day and fell outta my chair:

The Navy SEALs have been telling a San Diego congressman that they're under-equipped and forced to spend their own money on combat gear, and he is on a quest for answers.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., asked the military's top special operator whyNavy special operators are forced buy some pieces of their own gear and to turn in their firearms at various points in the deployment cycle.

"They don’t get weapons now to work up with for two years. They get their weapon when a guy comes back," Hunter said. "They have to turn that weapon back in again even if they’re still in work-ups and they’re going to deploy nine months later."

It's a different process than between 2001 and 2010, Hunter said, based on the accounts of sailors who have visited his home office.

Army Gen. Josephy Votel, the head of U.S. Special Operations Command, deferred to Rear Adm. Brian Losey's team at Naval Special Warfare Command, adding that the teams' high op tempo might be backing up some maintenance with the weapons.

"This is not a factor of too many rounds going through the weapon," Hunter retorted. "It’s a matter of where the money’s being spent. What are your priorities for the SEALs? If it isn’t having a weapon that stays with you for a deployable term, then what are they?"

Hunter's questioning follows a Feb. 17 letter his office sent to Losey and NSW, arguing it's a problem that some SEALs say they're under-trained -equipped despite their millions of dollars in recent budget boosts.

"More concerning, it is my understanding that there aren't enough weapons for SEAL teams — let alone an individual operator — to have their own weapons," Hunter wrote. "As it currently stands, following a deployment, a SEAL will have his weapon taken from him, which has been fine-tuned to certain specifications, and given to a different operator to use. This means that SEALs standing by to deploy are waiting for different teams to come back stateside just so they can use their weapons."

Hunter requested a report of how the command spend its funds in 2015.

"I can confirm that Congressman Hunter has a congressional inquiry and we're working to provide responses to that," Naval Special Warfare spokesman Cmdr. Jason Salata told Navy Times.

Gear gripes

Hunter's questioning comes a week after he invited a former active-duty operator and current reservist Lt. Cmdr. Sean Matson, who owns a military gear company, to Capitol Hill to discuss these readiness woes, as reported by Stars and Stripes.

Matson said that, as an example, he had to put up $900 of his own money to buy a high-quality ballistic helmet when the Navy dragged its heels on upgrading his kit.

Hunter blames the issue on the command's supply chain, for not issuing the gear the SEALs have asked for quickly enough to make a difference.

"There are also reports of a lack of optics, night vision and laser attachments," Joe Kasper, Hunter's chief of staff, told Navy Times. "All this has happened while the [Operations and Maintenance] budget for Navy Special Warfare has increased. So there are obviously some trade-offs being made, but they’re occurring at the expense of operators and their firepower — and those are the absolute worst trade-offs to make.”

Some inside the Navy, however, question whether operators are truly going without, and if Hunter's inquiry has more to do with vendors like Matson, who would like to speed up the acquisition process to boost their businesses.

"There’s a lot of small business guys that do niche SOF equipment that want to get into the acquisition cycle," said one Navy official, who spoke on background to discuss the inquiry.

"Matson acknowledges that he was in fact issued an appropriate ballistic helmet," the official said. "I don't think it has to do with us not having enough rifles. I think it has to do with, when you want to buy a new sling for that rifle, how do you go about doing it?"

If he wanted a different helmet he felt was better, and bought it himself because he couldn't get it through the stock system, that's a lot different than NSW not properly equipping SEALs, he added.

"You know, we have a group of people in the Navy that do development, they're called Naval Special Warfare Development Group," the official said.

Also known as SEAL Team 6, DEVGRU's acquisition cycle moves much more quickly because the unit is tasked with researching new gear.

"So let's say there was a group of people that had a way bigger mission than just the regular deploying SEAL," he said. "The processes are flatter for some parts of the NSW community than others, and that's what the others want to be like."

Once a request is made for a new piece of gear, it has to go through a series of SOCOM tests and evaluations before it's issued. In many cases, SEALs aren't allowed to deploy with off-the-shelf gear, particularly when it comes to body armor.

According to SOCOM policy, operators are only allowed to deploy with the SPEAR body armor system unless otherwise approved.

"Local purchase of body armor that has not been tested and approved by USSOCOM is prohibited," according to the instruction, obtained by Navy Times.

Speeding up the acquisition process throughout the command, the official said, would allow SEALs to be issued their preferred gear, though it's not clear whether items like helmets and sights can be used on a deployment if they aren't SOCOM-approved.

Kasper confirmed that Hunter is concerned both with SEALs' general readiness, as well as their acquisitions activities.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...-some-navy-seals-buy-their-own-gear/81206616/


It's 2001-2 all over again.


If we're talking other options, let's not forget about this light attack aircraft: :cool:

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Modern countermeasures with a good airframe -- sounds like a plan. Heck, look at the B52.

"Look at the B-52" for what.

The BUFF is limping along until it can be replaced by a more capable successor. Yes, it has tons of EA/EP, and that works for it in some non-contested or lightly defended environments.

It is DOA in a real double-digit SAM IADS if there is a real major theater war. It is supposed to be a "strategic bomber", meaning operating far inside the FLOT/FSCL to strike deep at bad-guy strategic interests. Against the current peer-threats, it is not capable of that, unless you consider massive losses of airframes and lives in the attempt to accomplish the mission an acceptable outcome (hence the need for B-2).
 
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