United orders 25 more 737-700

I thought I heard that Bombardier had most of it's orders for the C-Series cancelled recently? And that the 900 production line is the only thing keeping them afloat at the moment? I could be wrong.
 
Seggy said:
@amorris311 scope choke is working...
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I hear you say this a lot, what is scope choke?

Does this allow more larger rjs?

If regionals can't staff planes and majors pick up the flying, is that considered scope choke?

All the continental guys lost the when they lost their scope in my opinion.

That being said, excellent news. I'm sure there will be more of this for every big airline in the future.
 
L-16B said:
I hear you say this a lot, what is scope choke?

Does this allow more larger rjs?

If regionals can't staff planes and majors pick up the flying, is that considered scope choke?

All the continental guys lost the when they lost their scope in my opinion.

That being said, excellent news. I'm sure there will be more of this for every big airline in the future.
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Good question!

Would you rather have 200 50 seat RJs or 100 76 seat RJs flying under your brand?

Put simply, the bottom line is we are parking more of the 50 seaters than we are back filling with 76 seaters. Yes, this order does allow for more larger RJs, but overall it will be less outsourced feed than each of the combined premerger subsidies had. To me that is a win and shows it is working.
 
I'd rather have more 50 seaters vs. 76 seaters. Taken to the extreme, would you rather have 400 34 seat SAABs or 100 76 seat EMB175's? I would bet most would choose the SAABs.

It would be difficult to staff more 50 seaters vs. less 76 seaters, plus with a cap on anything above 50 seats at mainline, you'd probably see more and more 100 seaters there.

The 50 seater is a great airplane to bring in people from outstations, but what you see the 175's doing is mainline type flying. Personally I want to get away from the regionals doing mainline type flying and more 30 min-1 hour long legs from smaller outstations like Erie, Roanoke, Melbourne, etc.
 
Seggy said:
Good question!

Would you rather have 200 50 seat RJs or 100 76 seat RJs flying under your brand?

Put simply, the bottom line is we are parking more of the 50 seaters than we are back filling with 76 seaters. Yes, this order does allow for more larger RJs, but overall it will be less outsourced feed than each of the combined premerger subsidies had. To me that is a win and shows it is working.
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I thought the contract stipulated that in order to add more 76-seaters (over today's number), an order had to be for a new small airplane (i.e. E190/CS100)? Either way, I agree with what you say - this is big for scope choke. I'm sure a healthy Boeing discount helped sway the decision, but it's also fairly big that UA is deciding to hold off on ordering an NSA just to get more 76-seaters on property, and instead just going for additional mainline jets (if my interpretation of the contract is correct).

chrisreedrules said:
I thought I heard that Bombardier had most of it's orders for the C-Series cancelled recently? And that the 900 production line is the only thing keeping them afloat at the moment? I could be wrong.
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There's been very few, if any, CSeries cancellations to date. Before last week, however, they had not received a single order in 16 months, and I would say a significant number of current orders are at risk. They have several airlines that either can't operate them due to business/legal requirements (Republic, Porter) or are in challenging jurisdictions (flymojo, Iraq Airways, airBaltic, Saudi, Odyssey). They also have a number of leasing companies who will likely not take the airplanes unless they have customers lined up ahead of time.

I would say the biggest thing keeping Bombardier afloat is the Canadian government, after the $1B loan they gave BBD last year, and rumors of another $1B loan coming (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bombardier-canada-idUSKCN0VS2QO).

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Didn't Air Canada give them a huge order for the C Series?
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They did - an order for 45 aircraft and options for 30 more. They are now the largest customer (by order) for the CSeries.
 
wheelsup said:
I'd rather have more 50 seaters vs. 76 seaters. Taken to the extreme, would you rather have 400 34 seat SAABs or 100 76 seat EMB175's? I would bet most would choose the SAABs.

It would be difficult to staff more 50 seaters vs. less 76 seaters, plus with a cap on anything above 50 seats at mainline, you'd probably see more and more 100 seaters there.

The 50 seater is a great airplane to bring in people from outstations, but what you see the 175's doing is mainline type flying. Personally I want to get away from the regionals doing mainline type flying and more 30 min-1 hour long legs from smaller outstations like Erie, Roanoke, Melbourne, etc.
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This is why it's a shame the public is afraid of the props. The Saab 2000 would fit so nicely with an E145 also covering routes. The 145 on slightly longer routes and the Saab 2000 serving the quicker ones. Get rid of the hub to hub "regional" flying.
 
wheelsup said:
I'd rather have more 50 seaters vs. 76 seaters. Taken to the extreme, would you rather have 400 34 seat SAABs or 100 76 seat EMB175's? I would bet most would choose the SAABs.

It would be difficult to staff more 50 seaters vs. less 76 seaters, plus with a cap on anything above 50 seats at mainline, you'd probably see more and more 100 seaters there.

The 50 seater is a great airplane to bring in people from outstations, but what you see the 175's doing is mainline type flying. Personally I want to get away from the regionals doing mainline type flying and more 30 min-1 hour long legs from smaller outstations like Erie, Roanoke, Melbourne, etc.
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I have to agree with you on this, awful lot of 175s doing essentially mainline routes, MSP-LAX, DEN-ATL, etc. Thing is at some point these 737 orders indicate to me the intent to put more of these routes to mainline, 175s on more outstation feed, and the 50 seaters in the boneyard. It opens opportunities for the Penairs of the world, and improves opportunity for pilots and service to customers.

I think it's working.
 
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