Your lanyard and you...

[Stryker172]

I got this from my 10 year deployment reunion. Ive had quite a few people think I was in the French foreign legion.

 

[bike21]

I also wore a similar badge for the 20 years I was in the Air Force, and my mileage did, indeed, vary from yours.

The Air Force must've used the lowest bidder

 

[bLizZuE]

He's on "the list."

 

[ClarkGriswold]

He's on "the list."

Indeed he is, hence the post. @Seggy

 

[Nick]

He's on "the list."

With a few clicks of the zoom-in button, members of the list turn up all over the place.

 

[BobDDuck]

With a few clicks of the zoom-in button, members of the list turn up all over the place.

No wonder there is no FO in the picture.

 

[skypilot6]

When is @Derg going to make and sell his own JC lanyards?

 

[Cessnaflyer]

When is @Derg going to make and sell his own JC lanyards?

Wasn't this a part of the swag at past NJC events?

 

[Ajax]

Wasn't this a part of the swag at past NJC events?

I think it was

 

[tiredcfi]

When is @Derg going to make and sell his own JC lanyards?

Light your torches and grab your pitchforks! We demand JC lanyards! JC merch store with proceeds going to the website/NJC??

 

[esa17]

As one airline CP put it: I'm a baby-killer.

 

[jskibo]

I've had the same McDonnell-Douglas lanyard I bought at the company store the day I started working there. Its been 20+ years and though the MDC logo has long worn off, the lanyard is still going strong.

 

[Richman]

Can I get one that says "Cessna Land-o-Matic?"

or how about "Feer teh C-150!"

Richman

 

[bLizZuE]

Indeed he is, hence the post. @Seggy

Which really chapped my ass when I found out because he's always wearing his ALPA lanyard.

 

[JustinS]

I need to get a lanyard with cakes on it. Cakes are the new fashion right?

 

[Roger Roger]

Can I get one that says "Cessna Land-o-Matic?"

or how about "Feer teh C-150!"

Richman

Omni-vision rear window.

 

[Seggy]

Including some of the scabs from Eastern. You left out that part and you also left out the Eastern pilots who had to be hired by a court order to UAL. Talk about not saying everything and also not telling the entire truth, look in the mirror. But with you, it's always some spin to try and make ALPA look like something they are not and make it seem like they took some action that they didn't. Preferential interviews controlled by ALPA. That's hysterical really.

Flying with an Eastern Striker as we speak. I asked him specifically about what happened. He wasn't aware of any court order. He said the deal was when they went on strike the other ALPA Carriers would hire them.

No spin from me. Just stating what I was told a few hours ago.

 

[Seggy]

This is exactly the attitude I hate about ALPA. Somehow when one of your ALPA brothers, through no fault of their own, ends up in a position where his ALPA airline is in trouble and either gets bought piecemeal or in it's entirety they should just be thankful to get a job at the bottom of the acquiring carriers seniority list.

Sometimes life isn't fair and it sucks.

What should ALPA have done to make Airways your happy happy joy joy place? What business decision should ALPA have made to save the day?

To say that ALPA has no control over that is BS!!! They should and could have total control over it. Date of hire on all mergers and all acquisitions with no exceptions should be written into the ALPA bylaws. And before you go and start saying that's not fair, there obviously should be conditions and restrictions so that it does not hurt any pilot at the acquiring airline. But in the end, date of hire is the only fair way to integrate a list and to keep a true brotherhood of airman!!



Typhoonpilot

You are contradicting yourself. Date of hire BUT with conditions and restrictions!!!!

BTW, when going through a merger, the one thing you should be looking at is your relative seniority prior to the merger and then after the lists are combined. That really is all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[typhoonpilot]

BTW, when going through a merger, the one thing you should be looking at is your relative seniority prior to the merger and then after the lists are combined. That really is all that matters at the end of the day.

What matters is fairness not just on the day the lists are combined, but for the entire length of service remaining for the most junior person.

Take a look at the DAL/NWA merger as an example or the UAL/CAL one. Numerous pilots from NWA were severely hurt by the DAL/NWA integration towards the end of their career because DAL had so many guys take early retirement to get their lump sum pension payouts. NWA pilots did not leave in droves like the DAL pilots. Thus the NWA seniority list was much more senior. The combined list did not give any recognition to the middle NWA pilots who would have retired at the top of their previous list, but will now barely crack seniority number 1000. The same skewed list happened with UAL/CAL. The long time UAL furloughees will now never reach the relative position they would have at retirement under a pure UAL list.

The only reason the UAL/CAL integration wasn't as destructive as the USAir/AWA integration is the arbitrators now see how completely unfair and irrational giving zero credit for length of service is, so they gave partial credit (forget the percentage offhand, but something like 30-35%)

Sometimes life isn't fair and it sucks.

What should ALPA have done to make Airways your happy happy joy joy place? What business decision should ALPA have made to save the day?

Nice attitude by the way. I sincerely hope that UAL remains a viable concern for the entire duration of your career so that you don't have to see, firsthand, how bad fellow ALPA pilots can treat one another when one airline is having financial difficulty.

......and you seem to misunderstand. I am not, nor was I ever, asking for ALPA to make USAirways a viable airline. All I would like to have seen is a little, just a little, compassion for the hundreds of furloughed ALPA pilots in the form of preferential hiring at other ALPA carriers.

All of you USAirways haters keep forgetting it was USAir and Piedmont combined who hired hundreds of out of work Braniff pilots in 1982 and hundreds more Eastern pilots in the late 80s. The pilots of USAirways and Piedmont were true brothers to the profession in that regard.

To give credit were it is due, UAL ALPA did a little of that as well in the 90s. They came to an agreement with management in the mid-90s to give preferential interviews to USAir pilots with a special stamped application (still used paper back then). Sadly HR wasn't really onboard with the idea and only 5% of those interviewed were hired.

You are contradicting yourself. Date of hire BUT with conditions and restrictions!!!!

That's not a contradiction. It worked very well over the long run in the NWA/Republic integration. Tough pill to swallow for the Republic group in the beginning, but they are now the senior DAL pilots. In other words they were not materially harmed at the end of their career like you would propose with your methodology.



Typhoonpilot

 

[ClarkGriswold]

What matters is fairness not just on the day the lists are combined, but for the entire length of service remaining for the most junior person.

Take a look at the DAL/NWA merger as an example or the UAL/CAL one. Numerous pilots from NWA were severely hurt by the DAL/NWA integration towards the end of their career because DAL had so many guys take early retirement to get their lump sum pension payouts. NWA pilots did not leave in droves like the DAL pilots. Thus the NWA seniority list was much more senior. The combined list did not give any recognition to the middle NWA pilots who would have retired at the top of their previous list, but will now barely crack seniority number 1000. The same skewed list happened with UAL/CAL. The long time UAL furloughees will now never reach the relative position they would have at retirement under a pure UAL list.

The only reason the UAL/CAL integration wasn't as destructive as the USAir/AWA integration is the arbitrators now see how completely unfair and irrational giving zero credit for length of service is, so they gave partial credit (forget the percentage offhand, but something like 30-35%)




Nice attitude by the way. I sincerely hope that UAL remains a viable concern for the entire duration of your career so that you don't have to see, firsthand, how bad fellow ALPA pilots can treat one another when one airline is having financial difficulty.

......and you seem to misunderstand. I am not, nor was I ever, asking for ALPA to make USAirways a viable airline. All I would like to have seen is a little, just a little, compassion for the hundreds of furloughed ALPA pilots in the form of preferential hiring at other ALPA carriers.

All of you USAirways haters keep forgetting it was USAir and Piedmont combined who hired hundreds of out of work Braniff pilots in 1982 and hundreds more Eastern pilots in the late 80s. The pilots of USAirways and Piedmont were true brothers to the profession in that regard.

To give credit were it is due, UAL ALPA did a little of that as well in the 90s. They came to an agreement with management in the mid-90s to give preferential interviews to USAir pilots with a special stamped application (still used paper back then). Sadly HR wasn't really onboard with the idea and only 5% of those interviewed were hired.




That's not a contradiction. It worked very well over the long run in the NWA/Republic integration. Tough pill to swallow for the Republic group in the beginning, but they are now the senior DAL pilots. In other words they were not materially harmed at the end of their career like you would propose with your methodology.



Typhoonpilot

You're joking about NWA/Republic right? That went terrible and they had a HUGE fence from bidding any plane NWA brought to the table before a former NWA pilot. There was alot of animosity between the 2 groups.