Your lanyard and you...
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Roger Roger
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Company man I guess.
Cessnaflyer
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
The stock one when I first started. Then the 767 one my dad sent me when he was the director of engineering for the new tanker.
Seggy
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My oh my, where to begin with this.
OK!
You seem to think that ALPA would be responsible for business decisions of USAirways from the 1980s and 1990s that led to your furlough. REALLY?
How was it an 'unfair' SLI when you had a third party arbitrator decide? Do you know what binding arbitration means? Who is at fault for nearly a decade of lost wages because the Easties didn't get their way? Wasn't USAPA the answer? How did they do?
Better jobs? How many places were hiring in the fall 2001? Put frankly, TWA was about to go out of business, there were no other jobs out there. Yes, the SLI sucked for them, but once again, how is that ALPA's fault?
At my place they offered preferential interviews for Eastern Strikers. This 'interview' was to see if your name was on a list. So yes, they did help. I know we also hired a lot of Pan Am Pilots with a 'preferential' interview and a lot ended up at Delta. So yes, ALPA did help as this 'preferential' process was controlled by ALPA.
You are naive to think that ALPA controlled the business decisions of Pan Am, Eastern, Airways, and TWA.
OK!
You seem to think that ALPA would be responsible for business decisions of USAirways from the 1980s and 1990s that led to your furlough. REALLY?
How was it an 'unfair' SLI when you had a third party arbitrator decide? Do you know what binding arbitration means? Who is at fault for nearly a decade of lost wages because the Easties didn't get their way? Wasn't USAPA the answer? How did they do?
Better jobs? How many places were hiring in the fall 2001? Put frankly, TWA was about to go out of business, there were no other jobs out there. Yes, the SLI sucked for them, but once again, how is that ALPA's fault?
At my place they offered preferential interviews for Eastern Strikers. This 'interview' was to see if your name was on a list. So yes, they did help. I know we also hired a lot of Pan Am Pilots with a 'preferential' interview and a lot ended up at Delta. So yes, ALPA did help as this 'preferential' process was controlled by ALPA.
Come to think of it, I was actually young and naïve like you once and did donate in 1990, but then I was unemployed the following year and couldn't afford to donate anymore. So yep, donating does wonders for your career
TP
You are naive to think that ALPA controlled the business decisions of Pan Am, Eastern, Airways, and TWA.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Omg I need some popcorn
Yes, seeing posts like he made are funny. He likes to blame ALPA for the industry's problems.
ALPA is by no means perfect, but to say ALPA just sat on their hands while these places were going under is disingenuous.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
I see what you are saying.
When I give to the PAC I don't look at it such as if I give $1000.00 a year I will get back $1200.00. I give the money to allow us to have access. I think what nicely illustrates this is the NAI fight from a few years ago. While I didn't see a direct monetary return for the money I gave that year, the fact that NAI isn't flying to the United States is invaluable to me.
Cav
Former Maddog Whisperer
Wow Seggs that was a really well thought out tempered response to my comment. Hats off to you. It was almost like the Seggy of old. Not the new age internet bully stuff that discredits you of late. I might reconsider.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
10 years of rocking these out and never once lost a badge. YMMV.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
I also wore a similar badge for the 20 years I was in the Air Force, and my mileage did, indeed, vary from yours.
A Life Aloft
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What? What preferential interviews? What interviews did ALPA control?
The Pan Am pilots were hired as United purchased many of the Pan Am routes, and also got some of their aircraft, including several 747s. UAL had to hire the pilots, FEs and other employees. It was part of the 4 agreements to purchase the routes, some aircraft and other assets of Pan Am. They hired around 700 Pan Am pilots. Again this had to do with the connection/agreement with the transfer of the international route authority, aircraft and other assets.There were no interviews of any kind whatsoever for the pilots, FEs, mechanics, or other Pan Am employees that were brought over to UAL.
In fact, this is the structure of what happened and why.........there were four phases to all of this. Phase 1 was Pacific Routes......In an agreement in April of 1985, United agreed to buy Pan Am’s business operations in the Pacific, which consisted of the area extending west from the West Coast of the US across the Pacific Ocean to and including Burma, and South to and including Australia and New Zealand. In that agreement, 43 routes to Asia , 17 widebody aircraft, numerous Pan Am facilities and other assets went to UAL. In the seniority integration agreement dated Nov. of 1985, Pan Am pilots, and the Pan Am flight engineers, there were integrated 430 Pan Am airmen based on adjusted length of service, from their date of original hire at Pan Am. In the agreement, Pan Am pilots were guaranteed to remain in their status and equipment, but could not bid out of the Pan Am system. The restriction was lifted after one year.
Then came the Pan Am 2 agreement with the British (Heathrow) Routes. After a preliminary arbitration to determine the number of Pan Am airmen to be hired, which was determined by an Arbitrator, and a seniority integration arbitration. As a result of this transaction,UAL acquired two B-747s along with Heathrow routes and slots. The various certificate authorities were transferred to UAL and more of the Pan Am pilots (42 of them) were brought over to UAL.
The 3rd phase was the Mexico routes in November of 1991. United bought certain Mexico to L.A, routes and agreed to also hire 15 Pan Am pilots. That agreement provided for the Pan Am airmen to be integrated as new hires, with the exception of Pan Am captains who had less than two years until age 60 retirement, who were to be assigned to first officer vacancies on equipment comparable to that in which they were last qualified at Pan Am.
The last phase, 4 was the Latin American Routes in December, 1991, where United purchased certain assets of Pan Am, including Latin American route authorities, exemptions and frequency allocations. In a letter to all United pilots dated.This was virtually, all of Pan Am’s remaining Central and South American route authority along with much of their Caribbean authority.. As part of this purchase, United agreed to employ another 1,000 former Pan Am employees. This included another 225 Pan Am airmen brought over to UAL at new hire seniority.
Oh, and the Pan Am pilots wound up with an average 50 percent pay loss when they went to UAL of what they were being paid when Pan Am dissolved.
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Seggy
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So they were going to be out of a job as Pan Am wasn't doing so great but came with the aircraft/routes.
According to typhoon ALPA is at fault with this somehow.
Oh, you also are selectively quoting me Gerry and not saying everything (once again). The Eastern Pilots who struck had a very easy time coming over.
According to typhoon ALPA is at fault with this somehow.
Oh, you also are selectively quoting me Gerry and not saying everything (once again). The Eastern Pilots who struck had a very easy time coming over.
A Life Aloft
Well-Known Member
Including some of the scabs from Eastern. You left out that part and you also left out the Eastern pilots who had to be hired by a court order to UAL. Talk about not saying everything and also not telling the entire truth, look in the mirror. But with you, it's always some spin to try and make ALPA look like something they are not and make it seem like they took some action that they didn't. Preferential interviews controlled by ALPA. That's hysterical really.
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typhoonpilot
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This is exactly the attitude I hate about ALPA. Somehow when one of your ALPA brothers, through no fault of their own, ends up in a position where his ALPA airline is in trouble and either gets bought piecemeal or in it's entirety they should just be thankful to get a job at the bottom of the acquiring carriers seniority list.
To say that ALPA has no control over that is BS!!! They should and could have total control over it. Date of hire on all mergers and all acquisitions with no exceptions should be written into the ALPA bylaws. And before you go and start saying that's not fair, there obviously should be conditions and restrictions so that it does not hurt any pilot at the acquiring airline. But in the end, date of hire is the only fair way to integrate a list and to keep a true brotherhood of airman!!
Typhoonpilot
RRPower
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I'm kind of like a musician with his instruments on wearing a lanyard. I wear different ones for different occasions. On a normal line pilot week, I clip my ID to my epaulet holder. During yearly sims I will usually break out my Atlanta Falcons black one and during Alpa events I will have our green ARW Alpa one. I also have a Puerto Rico black one as an alternate plus the standard Alpa blue stretchy one.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
I want a lanyard that says "civilian" on it so I don't have to explain anything when fly with guys that have their "Marine" or "Army" lanyard.
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I love it.