Something to be concerned about?
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esa17
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Most unmanned systems have double redundancy in their hardware. That's not counting any lost comms logic and the associated backup plans. Beyond that, isn't that what the single meatbag on board would be for?
They'll freak out the same way they do on a subway train or elevator. Mechanics of the operation aside we've already made the psychological leap to trust our lives to robots.
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Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Speak for yourself. I don't trust computers with my life. Maybe to complete simple automaton tasks, but I have a heavy skepticism that they can complete a complex task without screwing it up. Much like I do for anyone under the age of 35.
Skynet, Cylons, Hal 9000, VIKI, Microsoft Windows. Do we not have enough warnings of the future? :stir:
esa17
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Skynet, Cylons, and Hal are all figments of the imagination. The amount of times you trust your life to a machine per day would blow your mind. Stop and think about each move you make.
I'll bet if your heart surgeon said the only way to save your life was to undergo a procedure by an augmented robot (which happens btw) you'd lay down on the table and start thumping a vein.
I'll bet if your heart surgeon said the only way to save your life was to undergo a procedure by an augmented robot (which happens btw) you'd lay down on the table and start thumping a vein.
ppragman
No pasa nada.
This is going to happen, and sooner rather than later. There will likely always be at least one human on board of passenger carrying airplanes, but there will be single pilot airliners in my lifetime, and I'd bet within my career we see cargo flights done without humans onboard at all. It's only logical, not only that, we already have a loophole in the 135 world for operating airplanes with passengers on board without a second in command written into regulation, look up 135.105. The template is already there and when the technology exists with the necessary layers of redundancy it will be implemented and the FAA will amend 121.385, or write an exemption. This isn't actually a bad thing.
Cptnchia
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FloridaLarry
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Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
It amazes me that there are actually pilots championing the outsourcing of their livelihoods. SMH. I'm sure it's gonna happen eventually. However, until there is autonomous driving cars in widespread, mandatory use, you won't see airplanes doing it. Thank God I only got 15 more years left. After that, you won't catch me on a commercial flight ever.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
I'll be joining the Fraternal Order of Disruptors here in San Francisco and work on agile projects in a DevOps environment (whatever that means), and buy my own airplane for purposes of getting around, before getting on an unmanned aircraft.
With that said, I still maintain zero is safer than one, with neither as safe as two well trained operators with an excellent grasp of their equipment and operating environment.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
No doubt.
We, as a civilization, have gotten really good at fussy, little things.
BIG science & engineering, not so much.
Unfortunately, it's not like the tech levels in the Traveller role playing game where TL8 covers both chemical rockets and flitting around the solar system on fusion drive. The Devil's in the details.
Richman
killbilly
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You really really need to read Stephenson's new novel called "Seveneves"
It's about this. Sort of.
esa17
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Sarcasm Ave is a two way street.You do know what this means, :stir: right? Or would thishave been better?
FYI: I'm not advocating it but I do know it's coming, and soon. I just happen to be a credentialed manned and unmanned pilot so I guess I'm not too worried about being out of a job.
It's not just pilots. What career won't technology affect/Disrupt? I've read about a university designing a robot to remove tumors with no human intervention. Computers researching case history faster than humans(no need for a human attorney). When u have symptoms do u go to the doctor first? Or Google them. Lectures being put online. No need for a time and place to learn Spanish 101. It's not hard to see that Big Data, the fast access to so much info at very quick speeds, and robotics is going to upend humanity.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
I just happen to be a certificated pilot, (not sure what a credentialed manned pilot is
) who is senior enough not to be affected and will retire before any of this comes to pass, so imma just recuse myself from this line and let you techno geeks have at it.I can't wait to be the old guy, camped out at the end of the bar, at the beach bar, that everyone glances at and whispers, " He's one of those steeley eyed sky gods who once actually flew airplanes! Yes, actually sat in it and made it do what he wanted! No computers! I know, right!?! Sky Gods!!"
PositionAndHold
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I'm not sure I've ever heard "old Lear" and "simplicity" in the same sentence.I flew unmanned stuff to feed my family. Now I've gone off the grid and fly an old Lear...and love it's simplicity.
That fuel system alone. Plus as planes (especially the 20 series) went down the assembly line, Bill Lear would just move stuff. Some thing that was in the nose cone on one serial number, is in the aft avionics bay on another. And 3-4 serial numbers later, it moved back. No drawings, nothing. @knot4u knows what I'm talking about 
knot4u
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Yep, I used to work on a Lear 25 with the squat switches on the lower torque armsI'm not sure I've ever heard "old Lear" and "simplicity" in the same sentence.
. I think it was S/N 007, apparently it was a test bed for the 35. All of the wiring diagrams for the 25 would be effective for S/N 001-006 and 008 and subsequent. Probably not a good candidate for an automation retrofit.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
There was an 80's movie called "Looker" that had this theme. Copy the actors, then bump them off to avoid royalties.
It was one of those movies that played on the nascent HBO on a seemingly endless loop, along with CHOMPS and Battle Beyond the Stars. In between movies you'd get Closet Encounters of the Nerd Kind and Hardware Wars.
Richman