777 strikes approach lights on departure 9/15

wheelsup said:
A story from a friend:

A long time ago we were taxing out in Savanna at o' dark thirty in the morning. Airport was uncontrolled at that time and as we taxi'd out we were busy getting the clearance and punching it into the box, etc. I taxi'd out onto the runway and something didn't look right. I realized I turned onto the runway prior to the end of full length. Fortunately I captured the error and just continued back taxing, and I don't know the circumstances of the Qatar crew but you can't say it hasn't been done before in the US (think Comair/Lexington, using the wrong RUNWAY, and that was an experienced crew).

The GPS devices on our iPads would be an amazing safety feature if we could turn them on.

I turned onto E-1 going to 10.

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I understand mistakes can be made because of confusing taxiway and runway configurations. I would understand if that had been the case here. That's not what the report said though, this crew purposely took off from the intersection because they thought they had the performance for it.
 
wheelsup said:
The GPS devices on our iPads would be an amazing safety feature if we could turn them on.

I turned onto E-1 going to 10.
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I think it would help, but it doesn't unscrew the high-threat situation of taxiing at an uncontrolled field, playing with the box and getting a clearance.

I had a situation up in TVC with a fresh new hire, uncontrolled airport (tower wasn't open yet) and the first officer was completely unfamiliar with non-towered operations as six months previous, he was going "pew pew pew" inverted in an F-16.

Slow down. Crank both motors. Talk about it. Talk about it again. Pick up a clearance from Minneapolis. Taxi judiciously with two heads up, what do you see, what is that what will we see when we get there. Stop. Reconfirm, we've got this runway in the box, this runway's outside, etc.

In my situation, it may have helped if we had good coverage, but man, don't create your own operational pressure by being hasty — we don't need to drop a bomb, on time, on target or the world goes to DEFCON1
 
Runway overruns 'happen quite often': Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker

Akbar Al Baker, the chief executive of Qatar Airways, which is doubling its flights to and from Australia next year, has claimed runway overrun incidents like one that damaged one of his airline's Boeing 777s upon take-off from Miami in September "happen quite often".

But Mr Al Baker, rather than taking responsibility for the incident and committing to fixing the airline's procedures, on Wednesday told reporters it was the fault of air traffic control rather than the pilots - in direct contradiction of the report.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/avia...r-al-baker-20151210-glkzi6.html#ixzz3uh3XEtFl
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fholbert said:
Runway overruns 'happen quite often': Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker

Akbar Al Baker, the chief executive of Qatar Airways, which is doubling its flights to and from Australia next year, has claimed runway overrun incidents like one that damaged one of his airline's Boeing 777s upon take-off from Miami in September "happen quite often".

But Mr Al Baker, rather than taking responsibility for the incident and committing to fixing the airline's procedures, on Wednesday told reporters it was the fault of air traffic control rather than the pilots - in direct contradiction of the report.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/avia...r-al-baker-20151210-glkzi6.html#ixzz3uh3XEtFl
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
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He is high.

No it doesn't.
 
Update, you'll never guess, they were fired. "Apparently".

http://dohanews.co/report-qatar-airways-fires-pilots-involved-in-miami-takeoff-incident/

Qatar Airways has apparently sacked the pilots responsible for substantially damaging a Boeing 777 when it struck a set of runway lights during takeoff from Miami in September.

A preliminary investigation determined that the aircraft entered the runway at an incorrect intersection, rather than using its full length. This meant the runway was too short for the heavily loaded plane to safely take off.
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Interesting, after the humanitarian and admirable CEO of the airline dismissed the incident to the media saying, "these incidents happen all the time to any carrier".
 
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SpiceWeasel said:
Nice safety culture, considering they allowed their engineering department to call a temporary intersection "T1" just like the taxiway...
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The reaction so far on aviation sites from non-pilots is "Good, the idiots knew they hit something and flew across the pond anyway". While that was stupid, it is very closed minded to overlook how handling incidents like this and the nearly identical Emirates incident in Melbourne(nearly as in they dumped gas and landed instead of plugging on) by firing the crew makes future crews nervous to report safety compromising incidents for fear of termination and thus, no one else can learn from them. Maybe the next time around, the souls on board aren't so lucky and a fully preventable tragedy will occur. I can't imagine working in an environment like that, much less flying.
 
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