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Seggy said:
Notice how I said 'fix mistakes'? What do you think that means?
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I did notice that, but also noticed this part
Seggy said:
They aren't exactly beating down the door to get another look though.
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ALPA is going to have to do the leg work, you can't kick someone in the nuts and be surprised that they want nothing to do with you. ALPA is the one that needs to right what they have done.
 
mastermags said:
So do you synchronize your watches with the other crew members when you arrive at the hotel? Maybe my watch says on time and yours says 1 min late. If you're going to leave crew members for being a minute or two late for the van, sorry, you're a dick.

If you can't stand the contingency of a one or two minute delay effecting your departure time, then take a different van. Even the DOT gives you +10 mins for departure and +14 for arrival.
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Who uses watches for their alarm clock these days?!? I suspect most are using smart phones, which are GPS synched clocks. Don't give me the 1980's 'synch the watches BS,' that's a bunch of nonsense right there.

SHOW UP FOR THE VAN ON TIME!
 
mastermags said:
So do you synchronize your watches with the other crew members when you arrive at the hotel? Maybe my watch says on time and yours says 1 min late. If you're going to leave crew members for being a minute or two late for the van, sorry, you're a dick.

If you can't stand the contingency of a one or two minute delay effecting your departure time, then take a different van. Even the DOT gives you +10 mins for departure and +14 for arrival.
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be there 5 minutes early to allow time to load bags and leave on scheduled time. I'm surprised SJI hasn't beaten that into you yet. 1 minute late, and you better be very apologetic.
 
Gonzo said:
I did notice that, but also noticed this part

ALPA is going to have to do the leg work, you can't kick someone in the nuts and be surprised that they want nothing to do with you. ALPA is the one that needs to right what they have done.
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Back in June of 2014, there was a meeting called by the ALPA Fee For Departure Carriers where they asked the legacy Fee For Departure Carriers to attend. Invites were also extended to the Skywest Pilots and RAH. The goal of this meeting was to (again) look at what can be done to ease the pain of all the Fee For Departure Carriers.

This was a two day meeting and on day one the Skywest Pilot Reps decided to tell the Endeavor Pilots that they should have gone out of business instead of accepting the concessions in bankruptcy. That went over like a fart in church for obvious reasons.

The Skywest Pilot Reps (and RAH) weren't invited back for day two.

Now, from my understanding there was a regime change at SAPA, but after the kick in the nuts after this statement and that attitude, why would ALPA extend a helping hand? Yes, you are absolutely right, unfortunately ALPA hasn't always organized every pilot group that has approached them. That is deplorable. I would hope that with the regime change at SAPA outreaches are made to them and other pilot groups.
 
Eagle421flyer said:
Maybe this is why I never got hired at United even with the job fairs, interal recs, masters and internship. I was at Allegiant which is not Alpa, so glad Spirit didn't have this hang up.
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Once again, it isn't a requirement and probably never will be.
 
I think folks are making a mountain out of a mole hill from what I said.

In my ideal world, if a career destination ALPA Carrier wanted to hire a pilot a pilot with 121 experience it would come from an ALPA represented carrier (notice I am saying nothing of corporate or military pilots. Obviously no requirement for them). It will never happen, I get that. I do want good folks hired and know we are.

In corporate and military aviation, preferences are given to keep it within that specific community. Many corporate operators won't even look at folks with 121 backgrounds. Hell, a lot of time you need a specific type and time in it to even be considered for the job. For Guard and Reserve jobs, preferences are given to active duty folks or folks within the unit already. ALPA Pilots are a community, the members of the community have a want. There is no way in hell that career destination ALPA Carriers will ONLY hire those from the 121 world from ALPA Carriers. I get that. However, there is a want from the community to keep it within that community. I support that. Others support keeping it within their specific communities as well. What I support is no different. I know we are hiring great folks and will continue to.

Hopefully that clears it up. Happy Turkey Day!
 
Exactly @Nark has hit the nail on the head. I've been reading rabid union (sorry, Association) propaganda from certain people on this website that only found the light when it suited them for many moons. Like certain people claiming to be ole crusty freight dogs because they rode shotgun once in a Navajo so they can be part of the cool crowd.Better yet, guys that paid to play at Gulfstream, that went to Xjet, then got in at the last minute at Continental who love to holler about how age 65 took THEIR seat away from them. But I digress, Some people will find any reason they can to pull the ladder up behind them all the while talking about how they want to better this or that when in reality its all about increasing self and decreasing work. But then again I only have a job as a pilot as I am not at a "career destination" airline.
 
Seggy said:
Fellow ALPA members from Fee For Departure Carriers have asked career destination airline ALPA Pilot groups to help them out with hiring. Membership should have its privileges. However, it's never going to happen.

Yes, there are fantastic folks at other non-ALPA represented airlines. Do I wish they were ALPA members? Yes. Do I want to work with them? Yes.
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I'll try but you know, I'm on day six of seven straight because of the awesomeness of FAR 117. :)

Little burned out and I air dried my underwear.
 
Kingairer said:
be there 5 minutes early to allow time to load bags and leave on scheduled time. I'm surprised SJI hasn't beaten that into you yet. 1 minute late, and you better be very apologetic.
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He'll fly with me soon and HE WILL RUE THAT DAY.

There will be hazing.
 
Nark said:
What's your excuse, knowingly applying to a non-ALPA carrier, Colgan?
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I didn't know much about unions then. I just knew one shouldn't cross a picket line when I was applying.

When I was there, saw what was going on, I got involved, along with others, to try to make things better. If faced with a similar opportunity, what would you do? Sit back and take orders or try to make it better?
 
BajtheJino said:
But I digress, Some people will find any reason they can to pull the ladder up behind them all the while talking about how they want to better this or that when in reality its all about increasing self and decreasing work. But then again I only have a job as a pilot as I am not at a "career destination" airline.
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Two things, would you explain how anyone on here has 'pulled the ladder up'. Furthermore, there are plenty of career destinations that don't involve an airline.
 
Derg said:
I'll try but you know, I'm on day six of seven straight because of the awesomeness of FAR 117. :)

Little burned out and I air dried my underwear.
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Bro.

Part 117 saved my last trip.

I know you love complaining about it, but you can't imagine how big of a benefit it is down here at a non-mainline job.

Remember where you came from, just like that van driver this morning.

Your bro,


The Train.
 
Cruise said:
Who uses watches for their alarm clock these days?!? I suspect most are using smart phones, which are GPS synched clocks. Don't give me the 1980's 'synch the watches BS,' that's a bunch of nonsense right there.

SHOW UP FOR THE VAN ON TIME!
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I have two phones. One personal, one work. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why my work phone was precisely 3 minutes slow. I just updated to iOS 9.1, and the problem is solved.

Anyway, point is that phones aren't perfect either.

I get your point though. I get to the lobby 10 minutes prior to van time. When others roll up exactly at the van time I find it annoying and unprofessional, but I wouldn't leave them without a phone call to the room to see what the dealio is. Meh, to each his own.
 
Seggy said:
I didn't know much about unions then. I just knew one shouldn't cross a picket line when I was applying.

When I was there, saw what was going on, I got involved, along with others, to try to make things better. If faced with a similar opportunity, what would you do? Sit back and take orders or try to make it better?
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Exactly. Some go management, and some go union, but the reason is often the same. Fix what is broken, and make things better.
 
Derg said:
I'll try but you know, I'm on day six of seven straight because of the awesomeness of FAR 117. :)

Little burned out and I air dried my underwear.
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Secondary vaca week here. I had an extra helping of turkey for you and some pumpkin cheesecake! Anyone seen the maalox?
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Exactly. Some go management, and some go union, but the reason is often the same. Fix what is broken, and make things better.
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The caliber of management at a regional vs a career place is extreme. Remember I had exposure to three distinct regional management groups. Even the supposedly MSP Avro Messiah Management from Mesaba sucked.

The management at my regional didn't fix any problems until they were forced to, by ALPA.

Vastly different at Spirit and where I am at now. I am sure the experience is the same comparing ASA and JetBlue...
 
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