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Cruise said:
My response would be, 'sounds good.' Then I'd promptly get back in the van and say 'let's go' to the driver. The absent crew member can figure out how to get to the airport on their own at that point. If we take a delay, we take a delay, and the late crew member can tell the powers that be why we were late. This isn't kindergarten. You know when the van time is. That's departure time, not think about wandering toward the van time.
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The whole '5 am is AIV time, not lobby time' and 'I'm leaving you if you aren't down there when it's time to go,' has always been kind of ridiculous and stupid to me. Everybody has been a couple minutes late once or twice in their career to catch the van. Personally, if you are going to be a late departure because you can't account for one or two lost minutes (which could easily happen due to an extra traffic light or a wheelchair through security) then you are setting a bad tone and should be taking an earlier van. It always seems to be the people who want to wait till the LAST POSSIBLE SECOND TO SCHEDULE A VAN who get the most bent out of shape about being one or two minutes late.

Now, being late for every single van, or missing an alarm and having the crew go ahead without you, well, that's different of course. But you're right, this isn't kindergarten, let's make sure we have enough time to get to the plane and let's treat everyone like adults.
 
GypsyPilot said:
1)Most of us posting on this thread weren't even at SKW when that happened. Those that have posted on this thread that were around (that I know) voted for ALPA.
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If you weren't there, you knowingly went to work for a nonALPA Carrier. If it is brought up in the thread about what happened, it did, and we have a right to comment on that. Yes, MANY on here voted for ALPA and would do the same in the future. But, can't forget the past

2)When I was hired in early 2011, the ALPA regionals were totally not an option for me. They either sucked or had bases that I had ZERO interest in. It was either work at SKW or stay out of the regionals at the time I made my decision. It was a very different hiring environment back then.
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I know many folks from Skywest, ExpressJet, and other regionals that didn't want to go to Continental as they didn't have a West Coast base. They are kicking themselves for not doing that now as they would be solid line holders in LAX or SFO on any fleet they wanted for United. Now, wasn't Compass hiring in 2010/2011? Did you apply there? They didn't have any West Coast bases then, but look at them now. Also, you could have probably flowed to Delta already If you went to PSA in 2010/2011 you would probably be flowing to American soon as well. Are you based in MSP now? How again is MSP better than EWR or IAH?

Point is, bases today are a positive, but you have no idea what the bases are going to be in the future?

3)I interviewed (and was extended an employment offer) from Colgan around 2010. This was post 3407, and I was NOT impressed. Very disorganized interview, and the CP I met with just seemed off somehow. Just because it's ALPA doesn't mean it's awesome.
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Initials T.D. by chance? Short guy, thick New York accent?

I would say your assessment at Colgan at the time is very fair in terms of our idiotic management trying to get folks in for an interview

However, those there did work to make it a much better place using the ALPA resources. You bemoan the fact that you haven't gotten an interview yet at a Legacy and are afraid of being a regional 'lifer'. While I don't think you are going to be one by any means, folks who I thought for sure were going to be 'lifers' are at Delta now thanks to the SSP brought there by ALPA. Point is, you never know what is going to happen, you snubbed your nose at Colgan, yet, it could have been an easy path to Delta. Yes, could have, would have, should have, but it did become awesome for some folks

4)I've stood with striking pilots before and believe in unions. I look forward to having union protection if/when that day comes. But to be angry at people like me just because of where I work simply because we don't have a union is absurd. To appease people like Seggy, I'm wondering if they expect me to quit as a captain living in base and start over at Compass or something?
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I am not angry at all and wouldn't expect you to quit and start at Compass. But, don't be pissed if ALPA members say they would rather their airline hire from an ALPA represented carrier.

5)If you think being a jerk to people like me is acceptable, get a freaking life. There are more important things out there in life, and I strongly recommend getting some perspective before you stroke out and lose your medical.
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Ahhhh.....




Anyway, another point I would like to make here and it goes back to the 'creed'. There is a drastic difference between one who is in management/one who develops courses like this at a regional and those that are in management/develops courses like this at a career destination airline. Those who are in management at regionals don't know any better than their little fiefdom they have developed. Those at career destination airlines usually have more experience, have been in charge of larger organization, and are generally higher caliber than I saw at the regionals. Remember, I have had the experience of working with management at three distint regionals when we completed the merger so I do have a larger sampling than one may think.
 
Have you written Skywest to express your disdain of a highly dramatized thread about something written in their book on company letterhead with your name and title? :) I wouldn't because I expect the answer to be "Thx, while we appreciate your time, due to the volume of correspondence we receive, we are unable to personally answer each mail, but please be assured we read and consider each and every... ", at best.

At the end of 15 pages, I don't think Skywest would welcome an unsolicited external opinion and the Skywest pilots should hold no shame because of this.

We had a CQ distance learning video where one of the guys wore a large, false "whale-worthy" cringe-worthy alpastache in jest and talked about CRM in a jocular fashion, or something like that, I can't remember because I had the sound turned down. It was completely in jest, but at the end of the day, it's an internal issue and one can emote, form an opinion, whatever, but at the end of the day, it's SouthernJets Business and will remain so.
 
Derg said:
Have you written Skywest to express your disdain of a highly dramatized thread about something written in their book on company letterhead with your name and title? :) I wouldn't because I expect the answer to be "Thx, while we appreciate your time, due to the volume of correspondence we receive, we are unable to personally answer each mail, but please be assured we read and consider each and every... ", at best.

At the end of 15 pages, I don't think Skywest would welcome an unsolicited external opinion and the Skywest pilots should hold no shame because of this.

We had a CQ distance learning video where one of the guys wore a large, false "whale-worthy" cringe-worthy alpastache in jest and talked about CRM in a jocular fashion, or something like that, I can't remember because I had the sound turned down. It was completely in jest, but at the end of the day, it's an internal issue and one can emote, form an opinion, whatever, but at the end of the day, it's SouthernJets Business and will remain so.
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Actually my guess is that the answer would be "thanks for the letter, if you'd like to schedule an interview call....."

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Seggy said:
I am not angry at all and wouldn't expect you to quit and start at Compass. But, don't be pissed if ALPA members say they would rather their airline hire from an ALPA represented carrier.
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That is BS and you know it. What do you say to guys that work at shops ALPA wanted/wants nothing to do with?
 
mastermags said:
The whole '5 am is AIV time, not lobby time' and 'I'm leaving you if you aren't down there when it's time to go,' has always been kind of ridiculous and stupid to me. Everybody has been a couple minutes late once or twice in their career to catch the van. Personally, if you are going to be a late departure because you can't account for one or two lost minutes (which could easily happen due to an extra traffic light or a wheelchair through security) then you are setting a bad tone and should be taking an earlier van. It always seems to be the people who want to wait till the LAST POSSIBLE SECOND TO SCHEDULE A VAN who get the most bent out of shape about being one or two minutes late.

Now, being late for every single van, or missing an alarm and having the crew go ahead without you, well, that's different of course. But you're right, this isn't kindergarten, let's make sure we have enough time to get to the plane and let's treat everyone like adults.
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I disagree. These vans run on schedules, and more often than not there are other crews/ passengers on the van waiting to go to the airport as well. Van time is van time...either you're there (or have notified someone you're late) or you're not. The van isn't required to wait for you.

And yeah, when I'm on a min rest overnight, or frankly it isn't any of your business why I'm taking the van I'm taking, if I want to wait until the last opportunity to go to the airport, then so be it.

Show up for the damn van when you're supposed to...it's really that simple.
 
Derg said:
Have you written Skywest to express your disdain of a highly dramatized thread about something written in their book on company letterhead with your name and title? :) I wouldn't because I expect the answer to be "Thx, while we appreciate your time, due to the volume of correspondence we receive, we are unable to personally answer each mail, but please be assured we read and consider each and every... ", at best.

At the end of 15 pages, I don't think Skywest would welcome an unsolicited external opinion and the Skywest pilots should hold no shame because of this.

We had a CQ distance learning video where one of the guys wore a large, false "whale-worthy" cringe-worthy alpastache in jest and talked about CRM in a jocular fashion, or something like that, I can't remember because I had the sound turned down. It was completely in jest, but at the end of the day, it's an internal issue and one can emote, form an opinion, whatever, but at the end of the day, it's SouthernJets Business and will remain so.
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What's particularly hilarious is when the lack of any form of tangible action follows multiple "actions speak louder than words" statements. But, this is the internet and an aviation forum at that, so I don't know why we would expect anything different :)

 
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Cruise said:
I disagree. These vans run on schedules, and more often than not there are other crews/ passengers on the van waiting to go to the airport as well. Van time is van time...either you're there (or have notified someone you're late) or you're not. The van isn't required to wait for you.

And yeah, when I'm on a min rest overnight, or frankly it isn't any of your business why I'm taking the van I'm taking, if I want to wait until the last opportunity to go to the airport, then so be it.

Show up for the damn van when you're supposed to...it's really that simple.
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So do you synchronize your watches with the other crew members when you arrive at the hotel? Maybe my watch says on time and yours says 1 min late. If you're going to leave crew members for being a minute or two late for the van, sorry, you're a dick.

If you can't stand the contingency of a one or two minute delay effecting your departure time, then take a different van. Even the DOT gives you +10 mins for departure and +14 for arrival.
 
Seggy said:
What is BS? I want career destination ALPA carriers to only hire ALPA Pilots from 121 carriers. Not going to happen though.
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So what about 121 carriers ALPA wants/wanted nothing to do with? The reason a lot of places are under the IBT is because ALPA didn't want anything to do with them. Under different leadership ALPA wouldn't have wanted Colgan.
 
Seggy said:
What is BS? I want career destination ALPA carriers to only hire ALPA Pilots from 121 carriers. Not going to happen though.
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Ummm, we weren't represented by ALPA in the Air Force. Clearly not legacy material?

Seggy, I can understand where you are coming from, but the world doesn't exactly work the way you want it to. And I have no dog in this hunt, I'm about as objective as an observer can be. The rhetoric might be more effective if you adjust it to a wider audience.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Ummm, we weren't represented by ALPA in the Air Force. Clearly not legacy material?

Seggy, I can understand where you are coming from, but the world doesn't exactly work the way you want it to. And I have no dog in this hunt, I'm about as objective as an observer can be. The rhetoric might be more effective if you adjust it to a wider audience.
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http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/121-retirements.225681/page-8#post-2512209

If you are coming from a 121 carrier, I would like career destination ALPA Carriers to only hire previous 121 folks coming through from ALPA Carriers. Has nothing to do with corporate or military pilots.
 
Gonzo said:
So what about 121 carriers ALPA wants/wanted nothing to do with? The reason a lot of places are under the IBT is because ALPA didn't want anything to do with them. Under different leadership ALPA wouldn't have wanted Colgan.
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True, mistakes have been made. It would be nice to fix those mistakes and welcome those carriers in. They aren't exactly beating down the door to get another look though.

As I said, it is what I want. Doesn't mean it is going to happen.
 
Seggy said:
True, mistakes have been made. It would be nice to fix those mistakes and welcome those carriers in. They aren't exactly beating down the door to get another look though.

As I said, it is what I want. Doesn't mean it is going to happen.
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Hold on, ALPA was the one that pissed on the pilot groups not the other way around. ALPA should be the one trying to repair the damage and be working to get the pilot groups to take another look at them.
 
Seggy said:
What is BS? I want career destination ALPA carriers to only hire ALPA Pilots from 121 carriers. Not going to happen though.
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I really want the best pilots who match the culture.

My last copilot was fresh out of the USAF and had killer situational awareness, flew the hell out of the airplane and did a great job with customer service.

I don't really care where he was before, all I know is that I want more new hires just like that.

Whether or not a new hire pilot is from an ALPA carrier, Teamsters or non-union entirely, it doesn't matter to me as a captain and as a person who is sometimes asked to help with the recruitment process.

But no scabs.
 
Gonzo said:
Hold on, ALPA was the one that pissed on the pilot groups not the other way around. ALPA should be the one trying to repair the damage and be working to get the pilot groups to take another look at them.
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Notice how I said 'fix mistakes'? What do you think that means?
 
Derg said:
I really want the best pilots who match the culture.

My last copilot was fresh out of the USAF and had killer situational awareness, flew the hell out of the airplane and did a great job with customer service.

I don't really care where he was before, all I know is that I want more new hires just like that.

Whether or not a new hire pilot is from an ALPA carrier, Teamsters or non-union entirely, it doesn't matter to me as a captain and as a person who is sometimes asked to help with the recruitment process.

But no scabs.
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Fellow ALPA members from Fee For Departure Carriers have asked career destination airline ALPA Pilot groups to help them out with hiring. Membership should have its privileges. However, it's never going to happen.

Yes, there are fantastic folks at other non-ALPA represented airlines. Do I wish they were ALPA members? Yes. Do I want to work with them? Yes.
 
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