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Ya there's quite a few, but you still have to keep a magneto in every installation I've seen, which negates almost all of the advantages. Fixed timing is the biggest problem.
Yeah we explored that back at my last job but it boiled down to the fact that redundancy, to me, in that situation is actually worse. Would I rather have two of something with the same failure modes or two things with different failure modes?

Overall, I guess, magnetos are actually pretty reliable, but we could be building on that reliability and we aren't.

Everything is as it was in 1958.

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Yeah we explored that back at my last job but it boiled down to the fact that redundancy, to me, in that situation is actually worse. Would I rather have two of something with the same failure modes or two things with different failure modes?

Overall, I guess, magnetos are actually pretty reliable, but we could be building on that reliability and we aren't.

Everything is as it was in 1958.

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My thought is that they mostly are not. I don't know how many times I've had mag problems. More than I can count.
 
Yeah we explored that back at my last job but it boiled down to the fact that redundancy, to me, in that situation is actually worse. Would I rather have two of something with the same failure modes or two things with different failure modes?

Overall, I guess, magnetos are actually pretty reliable, but we could be building on that reliability and we aren't.

Everything is as it was in 1958.

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Separate redundant electrical sources for the two electronic ignition modules. Experimental already does it. They do the same thing with EFI and then there's a battery after that.
It's incredibly more likely that something that moves a crap ton mechanically will break than something solid state. One of the greatest examples of this is HDDs vs SSDs. Look at the MTBF difference.
I trust my friends electronic ignition EFI airplane way way more than I trust my carbed magneto airplane. I'd go as far as to say that experimental airplanes are safer... or they could be if every owner had an a&p.

My thought is that they mostly are not. I don't know how many times I've had mag problems. More than I can count.
It's the only problem I've ever had with a piston airplane in flight.
 
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My thought is that they mostly are not. I don't know how many times I've had mag problems. More than I can count.
Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. I can tell you what we've had luck with lately and what we haven't, but with OEM quality control that might not be true next week.
 
Separate redundant electrical sources for the two electronic ignition modules. Experimental already does it. They do the same thing with EFI and then there's a battery after that.
It's incredibly more likely that something that moves a crap ton mechanically will break than something solid state. One of the greatest examples of this is HDDs vs SSDs. Look at the MTBF difference.
I trust my friends electronic ignition EFI airplane way way more than I trust my carbed magneto airplane. I'd go as far as to say that experimental airplanes are safer... or they could be if every owner had an a&p.


It's the only problem I've ever had with a piston airplane in flight.
SSDs are not actually more reliable than traditional hard disk drives, and have their own limitations.

As far as electronic ignition goes, I'm convinced that if we really wanted to we could devise a self contained and self powered electronic magneto hybrid which combines the best of both worlds.

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SSDs are not actually more reliable than traditional hard disk drives, and have their own limitations.

As far as electronic ignition goes, I'm convinced that if we really wanted to we could devise a self contained and self powered electronic magneto hybrid which combines the best of both worlds.

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What is good about magnetos that we need to incorporate?
 
It seems to me that, were I a mechanic, I would welcome things breaking. If things don't break, no need for a mechanic. Just sayin'.
 
It seems to me that, were I a mechanic, I would welcome things breaking. If things don't break, no need for a mechanic. Just sayin'.

Sometimes I agree, money makes the world go round.

However dispatch reliability and safety trump that idea. Of course Doing preventive mx or inspections is a different subject.


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Sometimes I agree, money makes the world go round.

However dispatch reliability and safety trump that idea. Of course Doing preventive mx or inspections is a different subject.


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I would much rather be sitting at my desk refining my logbook entries or spending my bosses' money on cool stuff like LED pulselites than dealing with AOG panics because 50 year old tech is still failing in the same ways it has for 50 years.
 
I know you're trying to be funny, but it doesn't work that way.

I don't think he was trying to be funny. Merely pointing out that routinely breaking airplanes leads to mechanics having jobs.... Pilots need mechanics, and mechanics need pilots. That's really the jist of it. Obviously you have a sweet pilot mechanic gig, but you get the idea.
 
I don't think he was trying to be funny. Merely pointing out that routinely breaking airplanes leads to mechanics having jobs.... Pilots need mechanics, and mechanics need pilots. That's really the jist of it. Obviously you have a sweet pilot mechanic gig, but you get the idea.
While that's true, that doesn't mean that mechanics enjoy having stuff break that shouldn't break. Even having pilots break stuff we don't mind so much, because you can blame the pilots. What sucks big time is working your ass off to give guys a good safe airplane and getting screwed because of inferior parts.
 
Lycoming advertised a TIO-540 with EFI was close to release 6 or 7 years ago. The computer was powered by a piezoelectric generator as a backup, and offered single lever control. But it never seems to have made it to production.
 
Well after 2 days of manufacturer school I'm shocked and amazed that the TPE331 ever works.
Most of the engine schools I've been to spend about 40% of the time telling you how it's supposed to work and 60% of the time telling you the most probable reasons it won't on any given day. The most important thing they teach is all of the acronyms the pilots and the bosses don't know, that way you can "dazzle them with BS".:smoke:
 
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