Contract Negotiations and Pilot Shortages

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Seggy said:
Interesting, what have you heard specifically?
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Specifically, I heard from several line pilots and a recruiter (when I was actively seeking employment at NK) that after CA shut down, NK hired several ex Captains who turned about to be very problematic during training for attitude problems that it turned Spirit off of Comair pilots. Perhaps a bit of time has eased the sting, but they seemed pretty adamant at the time I spoke to them.
 
mastermags said:
Specifically, I heard from several line pilots and a recruiter (when I was actively seeking employment at NK) that after CA shut down, NK hired several ex Captains who turned about to be very problematic during training for attitude problems that it turned Spirit off of Comair pilots. Perhaps a bit of time has eased the sting, but they seemed pretty adamant at the time I spoke to them.
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It has been nearly three and a half years, but I do vaguely remember some similar rumblings.
 
mastermags said:
Specifically, I heard from several line pilots and a recruiter (when I was actively seeking employment at NK) that after CA shut down, NK hired several ex Captains who turned about to be very problematic during training for attitude problems that it turned Spirit off of Comair pilots. Perhaps a bit of time has eased the sting, but they seemed pretty adamant at the time I spoke to them.
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They hired a friend of mine who is former CMR long after that, so if that was the case, it must not be anymore.
 
Blackhawk said:
It would have cost Conair pilots.... nothing. Just as it cost ASA pilots.... nothing.
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This is very true. It wasn't like they were taking anybody's left seats. They were going to go sit in the right seat, exercise their bottom of the list seniority, and work every weekend and holiday, just like any other new hire.

In exchange CMR would have gotten way better treatment down the road when Delta inevitably started moving forward again.

Oddly enough, in the Jets For Jobs world that USAirways created, there was a cost to the regional pilots. The thing was the planes would have come anyway as Majors were throwing 50 and 70 seat jets at them as fast on Bombardier could get them off the assembly line. But instead of just capturing the growth that came with them (yes, at the huge expense of jobs at the majors) they came with the restrictive that half the seats half the seats didn't even belong to pilots on the list. And then, in a few cases, those furloughed guys got super seniority so the number one furloughed guy on the list was bidding as the number two pilot at the company.

There was almost zero good outcome for anybody during that whole mess.

We took the furloughs in exchange for a flow through in an LOA "TBD" and then never got it.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
They hired a friend of mine who is former CMR long after that, so if that was the case, it must not be anymore.
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If it is the friend I am thinking about, why don't you tell everyone how the Comair folks were treated by the Delta folks at the end...karma is a bitch!
 
As far as the HR people are concerned you could have flown for Darth Vader Airlines and I don't think they would care. I'm not sure the CMR actions had a long term impact on the hiring of their pilots.
Having said that, while the former CMR pilots I've flown with were good pilots they were kind of morose and bitter. Of course one was your regional life poster child- former ACA and CMR. Obviously his presence has doomed my airline. Maybe I should get my apps updated.
 
Seggy said:
If it is the friend I am thinking about, why don't you tell everyone how the Comair folks were treated by the Delta folks at the end...karma is a bitch!
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There's no such thing as karma. And I think Delta South's behavior was every bit as despicable as the behavior of the handful of Comair reps who did what they did, so I'm not going on an anti-Comair rant like you.
 
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