Allegiant Air Fuel Incident

I HATE the media; CNN reported this story today. Their story put all the responsibility on the Blue Angles.

One "reporter" said, "You would think they or the tower would have known the airplane was coming. It was a scheduled flight."

Ughhh :bang:
 
AAPalmTree said:
Spot on. The "this may kill ya" notams need to be first, in red and bold.
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This is exactly what fltplan.com does, and I miss that little safety net. I know I've missed important notams, like "Hey why isn't my glideslope working?". It's buried in between ridiculous things like, lights that are out, cranes, equipment outages that I would never care about. When I did my own flight planning any hard IFR weather, critical notams such as runways closures, approaches out of service etc would be in red bold, so no matter how tired I was, it would always catch my attention immediately.
 
Derg said:
The problem is that you'll often see six pages of notams, IN ALL CAPS full of interesting tidbits like using caution about a fireworks display in July 2038 and there's a small, important tidbit that gets buried.

Some stations use perforated paper which is easy to separate into sections, others use that dot matrix roll where they'll hand you a continuous sheet about 9 feet long and you have to either read it like you're Santa Claus reading "Who's Naughty, Who's Nice" list or scream "INTERN! Separate my sections and BRING ME A FRESCA on the double".
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Such as...

Code: 
KACV NAV ILS RWY 32 OTS WEF (date time group here that nicely coincides with your ETA)

and NO, I would NOT like to talk about THAT either!

Cal Goat said:
Fair nuff...

But bird activity via ATIS doesn't ever provide a scale that I've heard.
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Yuma.

"Bird condition GREEN" "Thanks for the info!"
 
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Seggy said:
Pretty sure at your new place 'bingo' fuel isn't in the Flight Manual. @Cruise? You fly South of the border you better be using ICAO phraseology. They hammer that home in training there.
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Agreed. If I needed priority handling when down south, I'd be using ICAO phraseology. There's zero guarantee they'll understand cowboy terminology...hell, in my experience, there's a possibility they don't understand English ICAO....Spanglish, maybe. So go with what's in the book to give yourself the best odds of getting what you want, when you want it. My $.02.

You should be using proper phraseology here in the States too. But we have gotten comfortable with quality controllers that speak English and understand the slang/ lingo. Doesn't make it right, but it does work 99.9% of the time.
 
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Derg said:
I'd love to see the flight release from the Allegiant incident.

I wonder if the NOTAM was buried until a cascade on non-sequitur minutia, omitted, overlooked or not reconsidered after the departure delay.
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This is repeatedly a hot-button topic at InfoShare. Our NOTAM system is antiquated and needs an intense overhaul. There is so much superfluous and irrelevant data in the flight releases many just stop looking at them altogether because of the difficulty finding the pertinent information for their particular flight. We're not living in teletype days...time to move into the 21st century! It's a mess!
 
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jtrain609 said:
Pretty sure you can dispatch with no contingency, no holding fuel and no alternate fuel with 45 minutes left in the tanks in 121 ops and still be legal. Add in some unforcasted winds and taking off AT min fuel and this is exactly what happens.

But I could be wrong about that, as I've never actually done it before.
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It is legal per FAR 121.639. Safe may be a different story. I dispatch like this only difference is I'm usually tankering fuel when it's done.
 
jskibo said:
When flying as a PAX, would it be appropriate to open Foreflight on my iPad and share the current NOTAMs with the crew on the way to my seat?
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Yes. Also, when delayed due to weather at the destination, I've found 121 crews greatly appreciate when I tell them I just talked to a friend who lives near the airport who just told me the weather is fine now so we should be able to leave.
 
I know I've read somewhere recently that the FAA is looking into improving the NOTAM system to reduce clutter and highlight important items. The amount of junk we have to sift through on a cross-country is ridiculous, and mostly superfluous, and is given in plain-text with no hierarchy or highlighting.
 
dustoff17 said:
I HATE the media; CNN reported this story today. Their story put all the responsibility on the Blue Angles.

One "reporter" said, "You would think they or the tower would have known the airplane was coming. It was a scheduled flight."

Ughhh :bang:
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I agree with them. And I think the Blue Angels opposing solo pilot should be court martialed now, as an example.





:)
 
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