Allegiant Air Fuel Incident

Allegiant is trying to get local ATC to declare for him but he sends him back to center.

Bingo Fuel, sounds like a former Navy pilot interrupting the Blues.
 
So was Allegiant still up in center airspace and just trying to pre-coordinate his landing with tower? If he was talking to Fargo I don't see any reason why the controller would send him back to center to declare an emergency.
 
Hacker15e said:
"Bingo" is a multiservice, joint, standard brevity term that has also been adopted by more than one 121 airline into their SOPs.
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Bingo Fuel, Tally Ho, No Joy are things Navy pilots say. I'm sure others pick up on it but I'm also sure 121 operations don't teach their pilots to use non-standard phraseology.

Remember the guy in New York kept saying he needed priory landing when he should have said emergency fuel? He didn't stop saying priory landing until the last engine flamed out.
 
fholbert said:
Bingo Fuel, Tally Ho, No Joy are things Navy pilots say. I'm sure others pick up on it but I'm also sure 121 operations don't teach their pilots to use non-standard phraseology.

Remember the guy in New York kept saying he needed priory landing when he should have said emergency fuel? He didn't stop saying priory landing until the last engine flamed out.
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As both a 121 and military aviator, I can assure you we use "bingo fuel" interchangeably.
 
fholbert said:
Bingo Fuel, Tally Ho, No Joy are things Navy pilots say.
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They are also all things that all other military pilots from the other services say, too, because it is official joint-service codified terminology. It is impossible to pin a service origin (such as the Navy) of a pilot who uses those terms because Army, Marine, and Air Force pilots also use those same terms -- not because they "pick up on it" from Navy pilots, but because they are required to do so by DoD-level regulation.

Here's an old copy of the multi-service brevity manual if you so desire...note the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force manual names/identifiers on the right side of the cover.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA404426

fholbert said:
I'm sure others pick up on it but I'm also sure 121 operations don't teach their pilots to use non-standard phraseology.
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Again, the terminology has been adopted by more than one 121 operation to describe a particular fuel state. It does not mean that is what they're being instructed to say to controllers instead of "min fuel" or "emergency fuel". In fact, "bingo" means neither of those things, anyway.
 
fholbert said:
Bingo Fuel, Tally Ho, No Joy are things Navy pilots say. I'm sure others pick up on it but I'm also sure 121 operations don't teach their pilots to use non-standard phraseology.

Remember the guy in New York kept saying he needed priory landing when he should have said emergency fuel? He didn't stop saying priory landing until the last engine flamed out.
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I am pretty sure the FAA term is "minimum fuel".

The article mentioned that the phrase "bingo fuel" is a military term used in reference to returning to base. Obviously, the Allegiant pilot did not intend to return to base so he was incorrect in declaring "bingo fuel"...unless he was planning to glide back to LAS.

Edit: I should've read the replies that popped up before I submitted my post. I did not realize that 121 carriers are actively teaching pilots to say "bingo fuel" when dealing with minimum fuel scenarios. I have never heard of it in the 121 world but I am still relatively green in the industry.

As was pointed out, "bingo fuel" is the military (not branch specific) term for minimum fuel to return to base...only reason I know this is my dad has a fun story from Vietnam where he called "bingo fuel" and his front seater didn't turn back.

Carry on...
 
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Nark said:
As both a 121 and military aviator, I can assure you we use "bingo fuel" interchangeably.
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Pretty sure at your new place 'bingo' fuel isn't in the Flight Manual. @Cruise? You fly South of the border you better be using ICAO phraseology. They hammer that home in training there.
 
Hacker15e said:
Again, the terminology has been adopted by more than one 121 operation to describe a particular fuel state.
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How has it been 'adopted'? I have worked at three 121 airlines and I am 99.999% sure the word 'bingo' isn't in the FOM. If you use the word 'bingo' talking to a foreign controller, they certainly won't know what the hell you are talking about.
 
Seggy said:
Pretty sure at your new place 'bingo' fuel isn't in the Flight Manual.
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Neither is the proper way to notify ATC of a TCAS RA, or to notify ATC you are ready for departure, or to talk to ramp/ground for pushback.

But do you know what is taught in the school house?
 
Nark said:
Neither is the proper way to notify ATC of a TCAS RA, or to notify ATC you are ready for departure, or to talk to ramp/ground for pushback.

But do you know what is taught in the school house?
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You use 'bingo' South of the border they will have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Seggy said:
How has it been 'adopted'? I have worked at three 121 airlines and I am 99.999% sure the word 'bingo' isn't in the FOM. If you use the word 'bingo' talking to a foreign controller, they certainly won't know what the hell you are talking about.
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Didn't say it was a term in the FOM or that it is anything you would ever say to a controller over the radio. As @Nark echoed, it is a term that is being taught in the schoolhouse of more than one 121 shop to describe a particular fuel state, e.g. the fuel state at which to leave a hold to go to an alternate, etc., amongst others.

Or, maybe I'm just talking out of my @ss and making it all up.
 
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