Are the airlines really hiring more pilots?

Hacker15e said:
Fear, sarcasm, and ridicule are perfectly valid (and sometimes effective) mentorship techniques.
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Maybe in the military, it's expected, because it's just an extension of high school.

Despite the large number of ex military guys at my place, the entire program is a 'positive' one and that has completely changed the dynamics in the cockpit. You learn better, you feel better, and you respect your co-workers more. It's a huge difference from the tough love at the commuters, full of fear, sarcasm, and ridicule.
 
poser765 said:
Case in point, lets look at SJS. What started out of a term used for people who chase fancy airplanes to the overall detriment of the industry has expanded to pretty much be applicable to ANYONE who shows interest in flying a specific aircraft, regardless of the circumstances. I like the aircraft I fly, and was excited to get the chance, but I dared not display that excitement because I would be accused of having SJS. And that is just ridiculous.
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Why do you care what anonymous people think of you?
 
Roger Roger said:
Mostly apropos of nothing, but there seems to be this myth that pilots have a monopoly on talking shop. If you guys think pilots are bad, you need to hang out with computer geeks sometime.
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Am computer geek, can confirm.

poser765 said:
Aviation...Where we are almost all passionate about what we do, but endlessly needle those who show that passion.
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Is that what you think I was doing?

(Because, not quite - I'll get excited to come in and fly just about anything, including the CRJ. Because flying.)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Is that what you think I was doing?

(Because, not quite - I'll get excited to come in and fly just about anything, including the CRJ. Because flying.)
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I know you weren't asking me but, yes I think that was what you were doing. You can come across that way whether you realize it or not. You can be unintentionally condescending at times.
 
wheelsup said:
Why do you care what anonymous people think of you?
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Well first of all this isn't really all THAT anonymous. Also I am on this site for two reasons...one, to receive help in guidance in my aviation career and two, help pass on what guidance I have myself. As such, credibility is an important thing in communities like these. My ability to contribute meaningfully to this sight is reduced if I am just another "aviation degree" or "engines under the wing" kind of dope.

I couldn't care less what you think of me. You aren't going to hurt my feelings...but what you can do is make my participation here pointless.

Autothrust Blue said:
Is that what you think I was doing?

(Because, not quite - I'll get excited to come in and fly just about anything, including the CRJ. Because flying.)
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Not you specifically. Just making general observations.
 
Lunchbox said:
I know you weren't asking me but, yes I think that was what you were doing. You can come across that way whether you realize it or not. You can be unintentionally condescending at times.
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Definitely not aiming for that.

Like I said, I'll fly whatever they put in front of me. It helps that they've generally been airplanes I like - especially with the amount that I am working (we definitely have flying for people interested...no shortage of block hours...) - but if they decided I was to go fly the airplane we have that I dislike, I'll go do it.

But if you gave me a choice, something tail wheel, or our Twin Bonanza. Just can't find anyone who wants to pay me to fly either ;)
 
wheelsup said:
Maybe in the military, it's expected, because it's just an extension of high school.

Despite the large number of ex military guys at my place, the entire program is a 'positive' one and that has completely changed the dynamics in the cockpit. You learn better, you feel better, and you respect your co-workers more. It's a huge difference from the tough love at the commuters, full of fear, sarcasm, and ridicule.
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I thought it would be obvious that I was being sarcastic with that remark. The phrase is used as a joke reference toward old Vietnam-era techniques that were probably never completely valid but certainly aren't effective the majority of the time. Although they're valid techniques to have in the instructional toolbox, it is incredibly rare to need them in my experience with literally hundreds of students over a decade as an instructor. There are people right here on JC with whom I've both flown and instructed and can vouch for the techniques I've learned instructing for Uncle Sam.

None the less, I appreciate that you categorize the entire operation as "an extension of high school". Not sure where you served, but I can assure you that where I spent my 24 years was filled with the finest aviation professionals I've ever met, who were highly effective at what they did with airplanes under amazing circumstances. The people I learned from, flew with, and taught with, were incredibly talented aviators, and cared about the success of their profession just slightly more than high school-level interest and engagement.

The USAF is incredibly idiotic at many things, but it has been flying airplanes, and teaching people to fly them, longer than any other organization in the history of mankind, including wherever we are all flying right now. It is safe to say they have efficient and effective methods of doing it after all that time and experience
 
poser765 said:
But how much reality can someone in OP's position really have? Our job as people who are living that reality is to mentor, guide, and educate those that want to come into it. Instead we heckle, belittle and discourage. This thread has a lot of the former, sure, but also way too much of the latter.

We pilots are a salty and grouchy bunch, and for some reason we just love jumping on people who are young with little knowledge of the industry.

Case in point, lets look at SJS. What started out of a term used for people who chase fancy airplanes to the overall detriment of the industry has expanded to pretty much be applicable to ANYONE who shows interest in flying a specific aircraft, regardless of the circumstances. I like the aircraft I fly, and was excited to get the chance, but I dared not display that excitement because I would be accused of having SJS. And that is just ridiculous.
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Here is the issue....in case you missed it in both of his threads, there is no way to know when someone comes here and presents themselves in a certain manner if he is sincere or if we are being trolled. When the blocks don't line up, they don't line up and certain issues become apparent. Someone who professes to be in their third year of college, majoring in an aviation degree and has a PPL, would be of a certain age would they not? They also would have some level of knowledge of the industry and certainly if they had rudimentary/basic questions as have been asked here, could have and would have easily asked their flight instructor or one of their professors or easily found the answers on line. When you have a passion for something, you do all the research that you can on that subject, do you not? He never introduced himself, never asked the questions like 'here is where I am what do I do next or in the near future, or does such and such seem like a good idea', etc. It is not unfair to also judge someone by not only their communication skills and by the queries they make but also what they do not reveal and the questions that they do not ask.He really did not pay attention to or respond to anything specific that many people offered on here. Why is that?

I think you are reading way too much into some of the responses on his threads and not getting the entire picture of what may be going on here. He was given very good advice by many on here, including myself, but then it all fell apart.....look at why this happened. If he is truly a junior in college, he is not THAT young or naive. I just think you need to look at his posts, his responses and this specific situation in a different perspective. Mostly everyone on here, including myself, is more than willing to give their advice to anyone seeking a career in aviation. That isn't the issue here in this specific instance. You need to understand that before you just start railing against others. And as you yourself stated above, credibility means something and is important.

When someone states this, "I am listening to their advice, but I do have a choice on whether or not if I should listen to it.".....then what is the point? It was also suggested that he start a thread in the Military forum to get responses form the former and current military pilots on this forum who have been there/done that, because he expressed an interest in that.......never happened. I'll give anyone the benefit of a doubt, but I've seen nothing new/different to change what I believe may be going on here in regards to this specific individual.
 
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