Are the airlines really hiring more pilots?

I've flown several airplanes I've always wanted to fly, but at the end of the day if management wants you to fly a Frisbee, you should probably get a Frisbee type rating.

Moreover, as much as I love what I do, I dream of doing it less and taking 'vacations' in which I'm flying something single-engine and tailwheel on a grass strip near a mountain and a lake. ;)

It's easy to be in this mind frame after the fact but you probably didn't think this way before you started flying professionally. No need to crush dreams, we all know it's just a job.
 
So are you say that throughout your entire career you never had a plane that you wanted to fly? All I was trying to say is that the 767-400 is an aircraft I would like fly one day. I take my studies seriously, but I also allow time for my dreams too.

Nothing wrong with that Jonathan. I was in your shoes in 2006 and that passion is one of the few things that kept me in this career through 3 furloughs/layoffs. Keep your eyes on the end goal and keep at it.


P.S. The 767 is a magnificent chariot.
 
It's easy to be in this mind frame after the fact but you probably didn't think this way before you started flying professionally. No need to crush dreams, we all know it's just a job.
Oh yeah. I'll fly the crap out of a 764 given the chance, as well. (Not trying to crush the dream either. Just pointing out that I'm happy to fly basically whatever is put in front of me.)
 
ERAU valedictorian probably will never see one in real life...


oh....you meant on an application.
I was going to say, in terms of academic rigor (barring that valedictorian graduating from an engineering program and NOT the flight operations side), well...
 
Go to college, learn something useful that you can make money at when the next downturn hits. And because, well, college.

Go to "college". Learn something transcendent that will not be "useful" in any conventional way, whatever might happen in the pretend "economy". Be aware that you have become aware of how removed from anything meaningful so-called learning has left us. Laugh at "aerospace" students, but not in a mean way. It's not funny, nor is it explicable, what's actually Lost. It's just Sad.

The point of Higher Education was never meant to be Utility. Quite the opposite. Higher Education was meant to be our hedge against Utility. But try explaining that to the mouthbreathing electrorate. Sisyphus, made whole.
 
Jerome, as kid I always loved the 74 and Concord, but as I grew older(17-21), reality kicked it. So keep dreaming big, but also be realistic.

At this point in my life I will fly anything with a motor on it that gets me off the ground I can put in my logbook.

Dream. Dream big. But keep yourself grounded and away from the fantasy world.
 
Last edited:
As it turns out, 3/23 in my newhire class were Riddle alumni.

Nearly everyone else went the route of studying something outside aviation and most of us had either a second gig doing that on the side or were simply glad we weren't 200k+ in debt. I took the latter route and wanna know how much was asked about college in any of my 3 121 interviews? Not once was it solicited.

I've done 4 121 interviews, and each time they ask about my degree... Counterterrorism.
Probably because it's not an ERAU or English lit degree.

PS I'm 100% for job offers, only 50% for acceptance.
 
I've done 4 121 interviews, and each time they ask about my degree... Counterterrorism.
Probably because it's not an ERAU or English lit degree.

PS I'm 100% for job offers, only 50% for acceptance.
My education makes me stand out as well (two unrelated fields) but a master's wouldn't hurt my career either.

Right now, ain't nobody got TIME...
 
I plan on going until the VA tells me I don't have anymore money left, (GI bill).

Do I need it? At this point nope.
 
I went to OBC with a CW3 who was trading in his dots. This was his take on it:
"Welcome to Army Aviation, where we eat our young."
 
Aviation...Where we are almost all passionate about what we do, but endlessly needle those who show that passion.
Passion is wonderful when grounded in reality, especially when it's aligned with certain careers. Dream all you want to, but one has to also be prepared, work the process and keep heading up the road in the meantime. And if you're not completely involved in where you are currently, you may be missing out/not enjoying the journey and just focusing on some end result which will most likely change over time anyways.
 
Last edited:
Aviation...Where we are almost all passionate about what we do, but endlessly needle those who show that passion.

Passion for aviation is one thing. Having zero other interests outside of it is something else entirely.

It's also a way to have your world come crashing down around you when you go through a rough time in this industry and you don't have anything else to turn to for fulfillment.

There's something to be said for being well rounded.
 
Mostly apropos of nothing, but there seems to be this myth that pilots have a monopoly on talking shop. If you guys think pilots are bad, you need to hang out with computer geeks sometime.
 
Passion is wonderful when grounded in reality, especially when it's aligned with certain careers. Dream all you want to, but one has to also be prepared, work the process and keep heading up the road in the meantime. And if you're not completely involved in where you are currently, you may be missing out/not enjoying the journey and just focusing on some end result which will most likely change over time anyways.
But how much reality can someone in OP's position really have? Our job as people who are living that reality is to mentor, guide, and educate those that want to come into it. Instead we heckle, belittle and discourage. This thread has a lot of the former, sure, but also way too much of the latter.

We pilots are a salty and grouchy bunch, and for some reason we just love jumping on people who are young with little knowledge of the industry.

Case in point, lets look at SJS. What started out of a term used for people who chase fancy airplanes to the overall detriment of the industry has expanded to pretty much be applicable to ANYONE who shows interest in flying a specific aircraft, regardless of the circumstances. I like the aircraft I fly, and was excited to get the chance, but I dared not display that excitement because I would be accused of having SJS. And that is just ridiculous.

Passion for aviation is one thing. Having zero other interests outside of it is something else entirely.

It's also a way to have your world come crashing down around you when you go through a rough time in this industry and you don't have anything else to turn to for fulfillment.

There's something to be said for being well rounded.
Well rounded, sure, but knowing what you want and where you want to be is not a bad thing in of itself. This is what I've always wanted to do and I've lived my life in a way that got me here. There is literally nothing else I would want to do. Is that dumb? Yeah probably, but if my world does come crashing down I'll figure things out then.

I have an aviation degree, and it's served me well over the years. I've held several flying jobs, and several non flying jobs just fine. Really if I went back to school I can think of another degree I would rather have done...or would have had the patience or inclination to pursue.

People like to lose their mind when it comes to STEM degrees...It's the only degree one should get! Screw that. I would much rather pursue a silly aviation degree of questionable worth, than an electrical engineering degree of great value but with little passion towards it.
 
767 is a fine bird, (not sure the -400 is any better than the -300,) they're both 767s. If you like driving your grandpa's Cadillac around. 757 is more funner! It's like your older cousin's muscle car!

See, this is the insightful crap that comes with 5000+ hours in the 757/767.
<===This is even more funnerer!
<===
 
767 is a fine bird, (not sure the -400 is any better than the -300,) they're both 767s. If you like driving your grandpa's Cadillac around. 757 is more funner! It's like your older cousin's muscle car!

See, this is the insightful crap that comes with 5000+ hours in the 757/767.
<===This is even more funnerer!
<===
I giggled at "more funner"
I straight up laughed at "more funnerer"
 
Back
Top