Are the airlines really hiring more pilots?

We think that way because we have been around long enough to know how finicky an aviation career is. A pilot is one busted medical, one economic down turn away from a different career.
I am not by any means saying a pilot can not make it to a major with an aviation degree. I am saying that an aviation degree pretty much limits you to an aviation career. As with investing I am in favor of diversification.
That's why I am am also doing management, it's allows me to teach if I want. Of course I will need some experience in the field.
 
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Why would you say that? I know more people working outside of their college fields of study than within. Also, take just about any degree and you are 15-45 credits away from another degree. My tax guy is an engineer and my primary care doctor is an English major.
I hope your doc also went to medical school..... No comment on the engineer.
 
I hope your doc also went to medical school..... No comment on the engineer.
The engineer was a brilliant acoustical engineer in the defense industry. Brilliance is often a transferable skill.

My doc went to UC-Someplace for med school. After teaching for awhile, she took a couple of semesters of upper level biology, chemistry, and math ... which she said helped her very little in med school.
 
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Pilot Fighter said:
The engineer was a brilliant acoustical engineer in the defense industry. Brilliance is often a transferable skill. My doc went to UC-Someplace for med school. After teaching for awhile, she took a couple of semesters of upper level biology, chemistry, and math ... which she said helped her very little in med school.
The no comment on the engineer is because I are one too. 8)
 
My doc went to UC-Someplace for med school. After teaching for awhile, she took a couple of semesters of upper level biology, chemistry, and math ... which she said helped her very little in med school.

University of the Caribbean? Seriously, bio didn't help? o_O

ERAU valedictorian checks a HUGE box.

...by then you have to attend ERAU. :stir:

The no comment on the engineer is because I are one too. 8)

BNSF or Norfolk Southern? ;)
 
That's what she said and University of California med schools are well respected. I guess med schools cover what you need to know. So, she probably saw the material twice.


Just yanking your chain. I was surprised about bio (hence the Carribean bit). I can see chem unless it was a MD/PhD program, and I hear stats classes are beneficial.
 
Dude, listen to yourself.

Member since Monday. 30 messages. 0 likes. You're not finished with college, 63 hours, about to enlist, and concerned with old 121 metal. Just relax and search old threads where other people had all the same thoughts and got all the same answers. If you have a unique question, then ask it. Otherwise...
Yet with around 30 posts has almost 8000 views on 2 threads lol. Quite amazing, trolling level=expert?
 
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What do you mean? I have a masters in Aviation Managenent and a BS in Piloting.
 
Why would you say that? I know more people working outside of their college fields of study than within.

Also, take just about any degree and you are 15-45 credits away from another degree.

My tax guy is an engineer and my primary care doctor is an English major.

That is why I say it. I majored in German Literature and European History. Fortunately I was able to get into aviation (tail end of the Reagan buildup), as I'm not really sure what I could have done with such a major without going to grad school. My wife (an orthopedic surgeon), majored in chemistry and education. Yet when she decided to go to med school (after being a pilot), she still had to take additional classes.
Times were different then, however. I attended a fairly prestigious private university but tuition was less than about $7k/year. My wife attended a small school and her tuition was about $10k total. Each of us made more as 2LTs than our student loans. So even though my degree was kind of worthless it was a good ROI.
Flash forward today. The ROI on an aviation degree sucks, putting it mildly. I would never encourage someone to get my degree today. At least with my wife's degree one could make a good living.
Sure, one can get into something else with an aviation degree but it would take a good deal of additional education. For medical school you would need to return to school full time for at least a year. Law school? Perhaps if you took classes that really polished your writing skills.
Again, due to government involvement the cost of education has exploded. One should invest in such an area much more carefully than when I went to school.
 
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The ROI on an aviation degree sucks, putting it mildly. I would never encourage someone to get my degree today.

That's pretty much any degree that isn't tied to a specific trade. A college student with your German lit degree graduating today would barely qualify for a job at Starbucks. I got an aviation degree because it was cheap, checked a box, and I was interested in it. I'm not really interested in being an accountant, and I don't know how qualified I would be if I had a degree in finance and hadn't touched it in 10+ years.
 
That's pretty much any degree that isn't tied to a specific trade. A college student with your German lit degree graduating today would barely qualify for a job at Starbucks. I got an aviation degree because it was cheap, checked a box, and I was interested in it. I'm not really interested in being an accountant, and I don't know how qualified I would be if I had a degree in finance and hadn't touched it in 10+ years.

That is a good point a lot of people overlook. Recency works the same way outside of aviation. I would be shocked it I could get back into my previous field with 2 degrees and experience in the field...all 7+ years old. The only positive point I could make about it is that at least I would have some kind of chance but I'd rather collect harvey watt if I lost my medical and had to quit flying.
 
Yet again everybody likes to judge degrees not realizing that some people want to study what they're actually interested in. A lot of people also claim that "it's a dead end degree", when people with Bachelor's of Art degrees in basket weaving or writing go on to make 6 figures at Fortune 500 companies doing something totally out of their degree field. Shocker.

A lot of companies want you college educated...and they can definitely train people just like the airlines do. Besides the fact, you should really focus on taking your life one step at a time. Holding a private pilot certificate and asking how to be a Delta 767-400 pilot sounds like a 12 year old....

Maybe you should at least start focusing on your Commercial certificate before asking about flying an aircraft that an airline has had in their fleet for the last 13-14 years.... I really hope Delta plans to get rid of them by then at their current age....I mean they own a whole whopping 21 of them.
 
Yet again everybody likes to judge degrees not realizing that some people want to study what they're actually interested in. A lot of people also claim that "it's a dead end degree", when people with Bachelor's of Art degrees in basket weaving or writing go on to make 6 figures at Fortune 500 companies doing something totally out of their degree field. Shocker.

A lot of companies want you college educated...and they can definitely train people just like the airlines do. Besides the fact, you should really focus on taking your life one step at a time. Holding a private pilot certificate and asking how to be a Delta 767-400 pilot sounds like a 12 year old....

Maybe you should at least start focusing on your Commercial certificate before asking about flying an aircraft that an airline has had in their fleet for the last 13-14 years.... I really hope Delta plans to get rid of them by then at their current age....I mean they own a whole whopping 21 of them.
So are you say that throughout your entire career you never had a plane that you wanted to fly? All I was trying to say is that the 767-400 is an aircraft I would like fly one day. I take my studies seriously, but I also allow time for my dreams too.
 
So are you say that throughout your entire career you never had a plane that you wanted to fly? All I was trying to say is that the 767-400 is an aircraft I would like fly one day. I take my studies seriously, but I also allow time for my dreams too.
I've flown several airplanes I've always wanted to fly, but at the end of the day if management wants you to fly a Frisbee, you should probably get a Frisbee type rating.

Moreover, as much as I love what I do, I dream of doing it less and taking 'vacations' in which I'm flying something single-engine and tailwheel on a grass strip near a mountain and a lake. ;)
 
I've flown several airplanes I've always wanted to fly, but at the end of the day if management wants you to fly a Frisbee, you should probably get a Frisbee type rating.

Moreover, as much as I love what I do, I dream of doing it less and taking 'vacations' in which I'm flying something single-engine and tailwheel on a grass strip near a mountain and a lake. ;)


I'm a Frisbee examiner if you need a checkride.

As to your second point... you should really read what Gordon Baxter had to say about cubs...
 
ERAU valedictorian checks a HUGE box.

As it turns out, 3/23 in my newhire class were Riddle alumni.

Nearly everyone else went the route of studying something outside aviation and most of us had either a second gig doing that on the side or were simply glad we weren't 200k+ in debt. I took the latter route and wanna know how much was asked about college in any of my 3 121 interviews? Not once was it solicited.

Go to college, learn something useful that you can make money at when the next downturn hits. And because, well, college.
 
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