Delta TA

You can't like that post @Derg! I was expecting to be blasted. I was on another (not AA) jumpseat today. The DL TA came up. Everyone was surprised at the details. The main theme was discontent with DL management. Everyone respects the cooperation and respect between management and labor over there. Hope that doesn't end. I think it's hope for the rest of us that a good environment is possible.
Best of luck guys. We ultimately win/lose together.
 
Well, it's not a "dragon boat" race, we're largely all on the same Viking ship.

All the nasty nuggets in the TA are just going to end up in a SLOA or company opener at your shop if we vote this albatross in.

There was a good discussion about this:

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…and how his rep (not DTW because they know better) said "Oh, well, the MEC chair would never do anything like that, don't worry about it and things got pretty ugly here in the lounge.

I'm telling you, it went from happy singing hobbits in The Shire to InstaMordor in one week.

The powers-that-be are trying to control the message, but it's far too late.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Honestly, if I was there, I'd probably be a "no" vote because of the sick policy. I don't have a problem with a system of verifying sickness at a certain threshold, but this seems to go way beyond that,
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I don't think any employer has any business digging into your medical records to verify anything as it's a conflict of interest as the cynic in me says that whomever is looking is going to find exactly what they want to find regardless of the situation. We can't always assume a benevolent management team and the language must reflect that truth.

I have no idea if the group they would have looking at those records to confirm that you're actually ill knows the difference between "cubicle sick" and "cockpit sick" and I don't think the people that said "Welp, good enough" on our side really had enough cynicism in their blood to understand that this is a business, we are a cost-of-goods-sold and works like "may" mean "will" and if it saves a $1.00 they're going to stretch that language to the high hill, shrug and say "grieve it" and years later there may be some resolution.
 
I think it's going to be a very very close vote. I have yet to encounter anyone that is a yes vote. In the cockpit I refuse to say I'm heavily leaning yes because that will cause too much distraction. Also IMO No voters get worked up and emotional very quickly. Already a couple emails have been sent out about heated discussions in the cockpit causing errors.
 
Trip7 said:
I think it's going to be a very very close vote. I have yet to encounter anyone that is a yes vote. In the cockpit I refuse to say I'm heavily leaning yes because that will cause too much distraction. Also IMO No voters get worked up and emotional very quickly. Already a couple emails have been sent out about heated discussions in the cockpit causing errors.
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How sad that so many pilots are incapable of controlling their emotions.
 
Trip7 said:
I think it's going to be a very very close vote. I have yet to encounter anyone that is a yes vote. In the cockpit I refuse to say I'm heavily leaning yes because that will cause too much distraction. Also IMO No voters get worked up and emotional very quickly. Already a couple emails have been sent out about heated discussions in the cockpit causing errors.
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you have already said you are a "firm yes"......and that's your prerogative, but at least own it

edit: my post comes entirely from the grandstands
 
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Trip7 said:
One ASAP stated, and I kid you not, "my disappointment with the TA" as a contributing factor
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During the darker days approaching bankruptcy, incidents spiked to the point that the FAA got all up in our biz.

It may sound comical but if it's a causal factor in his eyes and may giggle, but I'm not about to wholesale discount it.
 
Trip7 said:
What @Nick means is the first 14 days of sick calls still count towards the threshold regardless of whether you have a note or not. ALPA states 2/3s or 67% of pilot group will not be affected by the change.

On a personal note, I have no problem with the change. If I'm sick that many days in 365 or 3 year period I'm fine with getting a note or medical release.
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As a professional, who is entrusted with probably close to a billion dollars worth of liability, it is a punch in the face that we can't call in sick for a few weeks, get treatment and just come back without getting a 'verification'. You can blow out an eardrum and be out for a month...easy. Why does the company need to know about that and verify it? Do they not trust you to make the right decision about your health? Sounds like they don't!

Delta management has blown a lot of smoke your way on how 'great' the relationship is between pilots and management. If it really is that great than a policy like this would not be needed. There may be a few folks taking advantage of the system. Once again, if that is the case, you don't make a policy for a whole group based upon the gamesmanship of a few. See what happens when you do @PhilosopherPilot ? You have the Deltoids in revolt! :)
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying it, I'm simply saying that well, I can see some guys writing that.

Some of the ASAPS are quite comical.
 
Seggy said:
As a professional, who is entrusted with probably close to a billion dollars worth of liability, it is a punch in the face that we can't call in sick for a few weeks, get treatment and just come back without getting a 'verification'. You can blow out an eardrum and be out for a month...easy. Why does the company need to know about that and verify it? Do they not trust you to make the right decision about your health? Sounds like they don't!

Delta management has blown a lot of smoke your way on how 'great' the relationship is between pilots and management. If it really is that great than a policy like this would not be needed. There may be a few folks taking advantage of the system. Once again, if that is the case, you don't make a policy for a whole group based upon the gamesmanship of a few. See what happens when you do @PhilosopherPilot ? You have the Deltoids in revolt! :)
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Absolutely. Our sick policy at ASA is a million times worse than what is being proposed at DL. But @Derg said it best when he said something about camel toes and tents. I get negotiations are give some/take some. But just like when management was doing a little more taking when things were a bit darker, it's time for the pilot group to take some back. Messing with sick calls is a slippery slope.

People do abuse sick time, but those are the people who need to be punished, not everyone. I get a cold or two a year. I know it's a cold, I take my vitamins, sleep it off, and come back to work when I'm better. There's nothing that going to a doctor is going to do that will make me feel better faster.
 
I can only imagine calling Dr. Forred for an office visit when I have a cold.

"Five to seven days with treatment, about a week without. I saved you the trip and our office the virus"

I'm sure guys abuse their parking privileges but no need for the entire pilot group to take it in the rump.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
How sad that so many pilots are incapable of controlling their emotions.
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I just have to savor this moment a little longer. I apologize for the re-quote. Well, kinda.

I might draw a bubble bath and perhaps play a little Norah Jones with a glass of buttery Chardonnay. Maybe kitty will curiously pas up on the roman tub shelf as I soak.

Purring warmly.
 
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