National Association of Airline Professionals (NAAP)
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69beers
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Where the hell have I been?? All of this worrying and sleepless nights for naught. I knew I should have bought a new labor law book with my TWU gift card.
69beers
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I think that maybe my feelings on this whole thing may not have been very clearly stated because of sarcasm, and that I may seem to be banging the TWU drum. Not the case at all. I absolutely don't blame AAL for wanting to ditch TWU because of the incompetence and corruption. I've seen it upclose myself and envy any group that can break away successfully and legally. However, fighting union incompetence and corruption with even more incompetence and corruption doesn't sit well me. Maybe this whole thing was perfectly legal and moral, and if it was it would be very clever as well. I'm not a lawyer (obviously from my last few posts), but I strongly suspect things will not work out well for the former executive board members of 542.
I couldn't be happier for the UAL dispatchers and PAFCA. They did things the right way, again. If they can make it continue to work like they have they should be very proud. It's not wasy to run an independent union against a corporate giant. If your labor relations don't take place in Candyland, then your relatively small group better be made up of Spartans. Our labor relations take place somewhere else besides Candyland...it's more like a prison yard. I won't get into the shower annalogies, but there is a reason we keep a union run by thugs. I can only dream of leaving the yard and theses thugs behind and having our own independent union. And when that dream looks like it's coming true I will lead the charge to independence, but it will not done in a way that we are seeing now.
I hope that when the dust clears from this train wreck that TWU gets their affairs in order, but that's unlikely and we all know it. Time to go sharpen my toothbrush handle.
I couldn't be happier for the UAL dispatchers and PAFCA. They did things the right way, again. If they can make it continue to work like they have they should be very proud. It's not wasy to run an independent union against a corporate giant. If your labor relations don't take place in Candyland, then your relatively small group better be made up of Spartans. Our labor relations take place somewhere else besides Candyland...it's more like a prison yard. I won't get into the shower annalogies, but there is a reason we keep a union run by thugs. I can only dream of leaving the yard and theses thugs behind and having our own independent union. And when that dream looks like it's coming true I will lead the charge to independence, but it will not done in a way that we are seeing now.
I hope that when the dust clears from this train wreck that TWU gets their affairs in order, but that's unlikely and we all know it. Time to go sharpen my toothbrush handle.
manniax
Well-met in the Ka-tet
There are challenges in having an in-house union but there are also advantages - i.e. no worries about whether or not your union's HQ will back you up in a crisis. I can assure you that the dispatcher contract negotiations with UA were about as far from Candyland as it was possible to get. More like Gruel-land or something. Persistence, unity, and patience finally paid off.
100% true. Also, TWU dues are still being pulled from the sCO dispatchers paychecks. HA! Getting them to stop is proving to be quite the PITA.
Final count was:
231 PAFCA
23 TWU
2 votes for non-union (no idea why on earth you would do that...)
I don't remember the percentage of votes, but it was over 70% if I remember correctly. The majority of us couldnt be more relieved that this whole 4 year process is finally over.
Maybe its time for a avatar change?
Beers,
My intent here is to just share information straight off the AA floor. I am not here to argue or debate what has happened or what may happen in the future. It's just information.
As far as the NMB election, the TWU accused the former board of buying the election with the gift cards. The TWU wanted the NMB to intercede in the process. So the NMB conducted an investigation. Two investigators came down just before thanksgiving and interviewed some TWU people and about 12-15 AA dispatchers. According to some of the dispatchers interviewed (hearsay), the investigator told them that they did not find any connection and the card drive was not tainted. The investigators indicated that it would be their recommendation to the Board to allow the election. They said we would hear something soon after the first of the year.
The TWU filed a civil lawsuit against the former board. Based upon information shared with the AA dispatchers, they are currently in the motion to dismiss process with several legal documents going back and forth. From what we hear, if this ever makes it to trial, it would not take place until some time in 2016.
The AA pilots were just offered a 23 percent raise and that vote will go to the membership. The flight attendants have a similar deal going for a vote. The TWU has done absolutely nothing. My brothers and sisters at US need to realize they are now about of the big TWU group at AA. You no longer control your destiny. Fleet service clerks and mechanics are all part of the big machine and you are now along for the ride. Losing money everyday. All of us.
The DOL is not involved and there are no embezzlement charges.
Not justifying, just getting the facts out. Aircal was a date of hire merger on the seniority list. Reno on the bottom and TWA got 25 percent.
just_blaze
Well-Known Member
Of All the Labor Problems in American/US Air Merger, This Is the Worst
Now with quotes from this thread and everything!
Now with quotes from this thread and everything!
Good, now with that crap out of the way maybe we can get on about negotiating a joint contract?
manniax
Well-met in the Ka-tet
Didn't see the news until just now. Here is a link with today's news, I'm sure AA people can add some insight: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...rican-airlines-and-us-airways-employees.html/
Mel-Yoda
Well-Known Member
You do realize that the TWU Int'l was, is, and remains the problem?
This was not a victory for the LUS or LAA dispatcher, and happy dreaming for a JBA anytime soon.
Mel,
Some day they will realize they are part of the "big AA/TWU group". They don't know that they will have to scrap to get a piece of the TWU pie. Sorry dispatchers, we can't give you 15 percent match on the 401k like the pilots, because we can't give 15 percent of 20,000 fleet service clerks. One big happy union family as the international is cutting the deal behind closed doors as the local leaders are sitting at the table spinning their wheels.
Good luck to us all.
Big.... See ya in August.
Some day they will realize they are part of the "big AA/TWU group". They don't know that they will have to scrap to get a piece of the TWU pie. Sorry dispatchers, we can't give you 15 percent match on the 401k like the pilots, because we can't give 15 percent of 20,000 fleet service clerks. One big happy union family as the international is cutting the deal behind closed doors as the local leaders are sitting at the table spinning their wheels.
Good luck to us all.
Big.... See ya in August.
Manniax,
The nmb has shown itself to be corrupt. First time since 2009 that there was a rare open dissenting opinion on the board. One member basically called out on the other two. In addition to the NAAP determination, there was a TWU/IAM association to consider. The same board member lambasted the other two for 9 pages in that decision.
They also restricted us from having an election for two years. One year longer then normal. But I promised when that time comes. We are gone. Every AA dispatcher wants out and I hear many from US want out. Maybe it won't be NAAP, but we will put the TWU in the rear view mirror.
Pafca maybe?
Take the time to browse the decisions and you will see what I am taking about.
The nmb has shown itself to be corrupt. First time since 2009 that there was a rare open dissenting opinion on the board. One member basically called out on the other two. In addition to the NAAP determination, there was a TWU/IAM association to consider. The same board member lambasted the other two for 9 pages in that decision.
They also restricted us from having an election for two years. One year longer then normal. But I promised when that time comes. We are gone. Every AA dispatcher wants out and I hear many from US want out. Maybe it won't be NAAP, but we will put the TWU in the rear view mirror.
Pafca maybe?
Take the time to browse the decisions and you will see what I am taking about.
manniax
Well-met in the Ka-tet
Oh, I'm not saying that it was a good decision or anything. I am very happy to have the TWU in my rear view mirror. Good luck with things, looks like it will be an interesting couple of years!
just_blaze
Well-Known Member
How sow?