In our world, yes. Who knows what's truly going on in a world of someone like that, and no two are likely the same.
Or I could even be completely off base with that, because my own logic like that might not even apply.
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In our world, yes. Who knows what's truly going on in a world of someone like that, and no two are likely the same.
Or I could even be completely off base with that, because my own logic like that might not even apply.
Boris Badenov
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And I KEEP saying how WRONG this is *hits table*. Logic is not dependent upon perspective. It's universal. Our perceptions are all colored by our circumstances, experiences, etc. Mine as much as yours, or anyone else's. But Logic (or Logos, if you're of a Greek bent) is eternal. It exists outside of us. We all partake of it (some more than others, I'm sure), but loathe it or hate it (er love?), it's there. Other people exist. This is not open to personal interpretation or opinion. That's the very foundation of Civilization and everything that makes us not dogs (loveable though they might be). We count, we worry about the future, we concern ourselves with the fact that we will someday be dead. This is at the very heart of being human. So, imho, if one decides to push in their chips and find out what's on the other side? Well and good. Send us a postcard so we can all be a bit less poop-scared of what happens next. But to presume to decide for other human beings that it's time for them to cash out? Because, uh, you know, people were mean to you (or whatever)? I wish there really were a Hell, for those people. Maybe there is. They construct it.
If you want to get out of combat, all you have to do is go see the flight doc and tell him you're crazy. But as soon as you do that, the flight doc will clear you for flight duties and back to combat you go because now you're sane; as there's no way a crazy person can know they are crazy. So as soon as you tell him so, which you need to do in order to get grounded; he wil then ensure that you are ungrounded.
That's some catch, that Catch-22....
(Paraphrased from book)
That's some catch, that Catch-22....
(Paraphrased from book)
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BobDDuck
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Logic is universal, however one's chemical ability to process and understand logic at the level of the brain is not universal. Any stimulus, either externally introduced things like drugs and alcohol, or internally driven like depression, will effect how something that a "normal" person would consider logical is perceived.
If you want to get out of combat, all you have to do is go see the flight doc and tell him you're crazy. But as soon as you do that, the flight doc will clear you for flight duties and back to combat you go because now you're sane; as there's no way a crazy person can know they are crazy. So as soon as you tell him so, which you need to do in roger to get grounded; he wil then ensure that you are ungrounded.
That's some catch, that Catch-22....
(Paraphrased from book)
We legitimately had a Major Major at our unit. His whole time there was a catch 22.
Mark815
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I think this is something that is seriously overlooked. When people break a leg or an arm, nobody says to just get over it, they go see a doctor. With mental health we can't physically see the damage until it's too late, and way too many people think you can just say "get over it" or "it'll get better" and that will solve all problems. People with mental health issues can't just get over it.
killbilly
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This is true. "The Greatest Generation" was one of the worst with regard to mental health. "Get over it" was the gruff admonition that there was more important stuff to do.
My mother is a social worker and psychotherapist who specializes in treating geriatric and elderly patients. She has patients who have been recently diagnosed with severe depression - people who have lived with it for decades. When they are treated, for some of them it's like some kind of minor miracle - after 5-6 decades, it's like shining a light into their souls.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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This all goes back to the same thing I always say when the subject of romantic "love" comes up: everything that you experience is a result of neurons firing in your brain, and the way those neurons fire is easily altered. A slight chemical imbalance, and your "reality" is that spiders are crawling all over you, for example, even though those spiders don't exist in reality. To you, the only reality that exists is what your brain tells you exists. So if your brain is screwed up, your perception of reality is screwed up. So trying to apply logic to how a mentally ill person behaves is, well, not logical. Is it possible that he wasn't mentally ill and was just an evil prick who made a conscious decision to kill a bunch of people when he took himself out? Sure. Seems unlikely, though, as much as it may feel good to heap hate upon him.
ZapBrannigan
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Just don't ever, EVER, call the police.
He's bipolar schizo and off his meds says the mother. Less than 10 seconds from door opening to shots fired.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Well it's an excuse. People want to justify why it happened because human nature needs something to blame. If he had yelled dirka dirka dirka seconds before hitting the mountain, none of us would be having the mental health/logic talks. It would be labeled 100% terrorism. And because we've accepted that terrorists are not mentally ill. IMO it doesn't matter if one flies an airplane into a building or a mountain..... regardless of background, religious, political, or health issues, this individual is ****** up in the head.
Cptnchia
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ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Wow. Just. Wow.
I guess tasers aren't standard issue in Dallas? "BUT HE HAD A SCREW DRIVER!".
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
A screw driver can kill you dead-like real quick, especially from within 5 feet like that.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
So can just two hands, unarmed.
The call was for a mentally disturbed man who was off his meds. Surely someone other than two uniformed thugs with itchy fingers could have shown up.
Lesson learned though. I don't, but if I had a mentally disturbed individual in my family, I would never call the police.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
I actually have a lot of respect for the police. But, c'mon. Really? What's a tazer for if not a situation like this. Shoot the guy? Really.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Anyway, a little back on track, new reports (the prosecutor) saying that they recovered his "electronic device pad" and he never deleted his search history. There were searches for cockpit door access/security, and suicide. This was March 14-20-ish timeframe. They are saying this may show premeditation.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Typical uniformed response of "meeting deadly force with deadly force."
There is no solution to it. The call was clearly for a mental man who was not on his meds. A screw driver is dangerous, but two grown men could easily have stepped back and tazed/maced him.