Imminent Strike at G4

Your not wrong, and by the time I got there the pilot group realized their fubar. The pilot group approached ALPA (again) they told us no and teamsters said yes.and we needed something so we took what was available and even then it barley passed. I know bc I helped organize it.
 
Your not wrong, and by the time I got there the pilot group realized their fubar. The pilot group approached ALPA (again) they told us no and teamsters said yes.and we needed something so we took what was available and even then it barley passed. I know bc I helped organize it.

After the failed Skywest drives, ALPA basically took a policy of not going back for a second bite at the organizing apple unless the pilot group was a sure thing. It's just too much money to do an organizing drive for a pilot group that isn't fully onboard.
 
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Late to this game due to work. @ATN_Pilot is absolutely correct. The RLA provides for a duty to uphold status quo but no strike provision for it outside of release after the 30 day cooling off period. Strikes absent a release are not legal and the strikers are not protected. Furthermore they are subject to lawsuits. Yes there have been some case law decisions, but nothing like this.
 
Living a strike is not fun. But I wish our negotiators would ask for resources. For example, they would hold family rally days. But they never asked if any pilots had access to those of us who could help.

I am in HR as are others affiliated with pilots. We can be a valuable resource but the A type pilot negotiators don't want our help.

What do I know? The average health plan renewals in my area are 25-35% increases. I negotiated a 8% decrease with better benefit (all POS or PPO--no high deductible crap).

What do I know?
 
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AA pilots didn't mess around. Company came crawling back after two weeks of the pilots saying up yours to the LBFO 2. You don't need to strike to get their attention.
 
That's BS. I was there in Vegas, Orlando, Tampa, and Fort Lauderdale during the original ALPA drive. The company threw a little bit of money at you and you gave ALPA the cold shoulder after that. Don't expect ALPA to come running back after that.

ALPA gave us the cold shoulder also...didn't want to be associated with helicopter pilots...we are one of the largest air carriers in the nation behind only a couple majors.
 
AA pilots didn't mess around. Company came crawling back after two weeks of the pilots saying up yours to the LBFO 2. You don't need to strike to get their attention.
True but in this case management isn't offering anything. They won't sit down and are changing work rules while in negotiations. Hense the status quo violation charge.
 
Strikes absent a release are not legal and the strikers are not protected.
This is not true. There have been two cases where parties sought self-help outside of all the requirement of the RLA, with no release from the NMB, and the courts affirmed both were legal.

A relevant passage from the link jtrain posted -

It has been indicated by the fifth circuit in a prior case that a union may similarly be able to resort to self-help under the RLA prior to the exhaustion of remedies. In United Industrial Workers of Seafarers v. Board of Trustees,59 the carrier unilaterally changed working conditions by consumating a lease of its elevator facilities in violation of the status quo provisions of section 6, resulting in the layoff of thirty-four workers. The union members then picketed, but were enjoined by the state court. Thereafter, the district court issued an injunction enjoining the carrier from availing itself of the state court injunction. The fifth circuit affirmed, stating that if the union is to be enjoined from picketing in the future, it must be enjoined under the RLA and not under a state statute; and it must be enjoined in a federal, not state, court. In its discussion of section 6, the court stated that at the time the state court injunction was issued, the carrier itself was -in violation of the Act and "[t] he cases suggest that at that time, under the Act, the Union had the right to strike; that right continues until the Act is complied with by the Carrier, and thereafter ceases during and until exhaustion of the procedures set up by the Act." 60 Furthermore, the court noted that "f the carrier refuses to follow the procedures of the Act, or if those procedures are followed to an impasse, the Union may strike."'" Apparently the only obligation on the part of the union before it may strike if the carrier is in noncompliance with the Act is that it must do everything it can to exhaust all the procedures of the Act. The court reasoned that "[t]he Union's right to bargain, guaranteed by the Act ... and presently enforced by this Court, would be illusory without a right to strike when bargaining has run its course if the Carrier continues to refuse to bargain."

The whole thing is worth a read though.
 
This is not true. There have been two cases where parties sought self-help outside of all the requirement of the RLA, with no release from the NMB, and the courts affirmed both were legal.

I'm not going to get into a long discussion of this, but there are very specific circumstances in these cases that do not apply here.
 
Such as? We can keep the conversation short just tell me why in this particular case the circumstances don't apply...
 
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