Imminent Strike at G4

Fine. Don't work for the airlines then. Wait you don't anymore. I don't work for G4 anymore but I supposed anything they are doing, until you have worked for them don't throw stones and support others who are sticking thier necks out for the betterment of my industry.
 
Eagle421flyer said:
Fine. Don't work for the airlines then. Wait you don't anymore. I don't work for G4 anymore but I supposed anything they are doing, until you have worked for them don't throw stones and support others who are sticking thier necks out for the betterment of my industry.
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I want what's best for your profession, too. That's why I devoted most of my adult life to union work. I just think this is going to backfire. You're welcome to disagree. Welcome to the Internet where people don't always agree.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I want what's best for your profession, too. That's why I devoted most of my adult life to union work. I just think this is going to backfire. You're welcome to disagree.
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Sometimes you have to go for it. I know it's risky.

But the other thing you need to realize is that this option which the IBT deemed "plan B" has been debated and rehashed ad nauseam for months now.

Not just the amoungst the pilots, but the union, the company, in the courtroom, and the NMB. There have been numerous opportunities for the NMB or a judge to warn us about pursuing this option. But to be honest, we haven't recieved any indications from anyone (besides HQ obviously) that this is illegal.

If I'm wrong, there's a beer on me if I can ever make it out to NJC. :)
 
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Eagle421flyer said:
Fine. Don't work for the airlines then. Wait you don't anymore. I don't work for G4 anymore but I supposed anything they are doing, until you have worked for them don't throw stones and support others who are sticking thier necks out for the betterment of my industry.
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He's not hoping you'll fail. But an illegal strike is going to more harm than good... And that betterment of the industry you talk about is non-existent in this case. I'm sure @ATN_Pilot is hoping he's wrong, but I doubt he is.
 
Eagle421flyer said:
Atn is right there is always a risk with this they could lock them out. But I fully support the g4 pilots and hope for the best!
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The risk goes beyond that. A lockout is the least of your problems. The real risk is bad case law that makes the RLA even more draconian for labor. And then there's the possibility of an injunction that places onerous restrictions on you from here on out. Ask the UAL guys how great that is when you can't even send out an email without an army of lawyers approving it. And then another risk is a big fine. Ask the APA about that one. I believe theirs was $40 million. And finally, the risk of prison time for union leaders. Lots of risks. Little hope of success.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The risk goes beyond that. A lockout is the least of your problems. The real risk is bad case law that makes the RLA even more draconian for labor. And then there's the possibility of an injunction that places onerous restrictions on you from here on out. Ask the UAL guys how great that is when you can't even send out an email without an army of lawyers approving it. And then another risk is a big fine. Ask the APA about that one. I believe theirs was $40 million. And finally, the risk of prison time for union leaders. Lots of risks. Little hope of success.
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Side question: are you flying struck work if it's not a legal strike?
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Got it, but what I'm saying is that no one has called this an illegal strike so far except for management.
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I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but since you haven't been released to strike I'd assume that's pretty illegal. Maybe it depends on the judge, but the consequences can be pretty terrible... Huge fines, that you guys will be responsible, and hell there could be jail time for the organizers... It's happened in the past...
 
juxtapilot said:
I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but since you haven't been released to strike I'd assume that's pretty illegal. Maybe it depends on the judge, but the consequences can be pretty terrible... Huge fines, that you guys will be responsible, and hell there could be jail time for the organizers... It's happened in the past...
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Got it, but please read some of my prior posts in this thread. G4 is a small LCC and there are only a couple of us on these forums, so the happenings here don't always hit the web boards very quicky. That said, this option has been known about for awhile now by everyone and the only party that's warned us about it has been management. The only ones really caught by surprise so far are those who don't work here (and aren't abreast of our situation) and the shareholders who management recently told that a strike isn't likely. That's why we are confident this course of action will be successful.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Side question: are you flying struck work if it's not a legal strike?
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ATN_Pilot said:
Very good question.
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That's what worries me. And the fact that @ATN_Pilot is unsure makes me worry for others that may face this dilemma.

I don't have a dog in the fight but I'd hate for some of my colleagues' careers to be put into jeopardy by what appears to be a pilot group that is wanting to go on strike but not playing by the rules.
I as well as probably anyone on here is fully supportive of the Allegiant pilot group, but if you want to go on strike, do it with no ambiguity.

HVYMETALDRVR said:
The only ones really caught by surprise so far are those who don't work here (and aren't abreast of our situation) and the shareholders who management recently told that a strike isn't likely. That's why we are confident this course of action will be successful.
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That is fantastic but you are depending on others to hold the line as well so it'd be best to not surprise other pilots outside your group.
 
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