German Wings A320 crashed

There's a certain fallacy that involves a lot of people that aren't depressed and don't understand it trying to explain what was going through this guys head. It would be like people plugging their ears for a minute and trying to explain what it's like to be deaf. I don't get depression at all - and I think it would be hard for most of us to comprehend what it must be like. My sister has it and it is baffling. I can tell you that of the myriad painful physical conditions I've had including breaking a significant number of bones at one time and deafness...I wouldn't trade for having depression. It's a spooky weird thing and I'd rather hurt.
 
The only pilot with any kind of credibility who goes on the media is Patrick Smith. He is always doing damage control on all the nonsense news outlets spout.

Too bad he is just one person. The babbling talking heads with their zany ideas usually drown him out.
 
Skyvector said:
Ummmm......ok?? Never the less, we have cockpit keys. We are able to use those keys to open the cockpit from the outside. The original question remains: Is there a deadbolt mechanism that prevents the cockpit from being unlocked with a key? I can't think of one on the ERJ that I fly. Not sure how it works on the Airbus.
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I think your at my airline? If you are, then I'm pretty sure the key would NOT be able to open the door if it was locked from the deadbolt inside the cockpit, as it would be inflight.
 
WacoFan said:
There's a certain fallacy that involves a lot of people that aren't depressed and don't understand it trying to explain what was going through this guys head. It would be like people plugging their ears for a minute and trying to explain what it's like to be deaf. I don't get depression at all - and I think it would be hard for most of us to comprehend what it must be like. My sister has it and it is baffling. I can tell you that of the myriad painful physical conditions I've had including breaking a significant number of bones at one time and deafness...I wouldn't trade for having depression. It's a spooky weird thing and I'd rather hurt.
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Agreed.

Until you've lived with somebody with clinical depression for a long period of time, you can't imagine the dynamics of depression. I can't find the words to describe how horrible it is.

Most people that suffer from depression without a dual-diagnosis, even those that have suicidal ideation, rarely have any violent tendencies. In fact, the opposite is more often the case. They are often hyper-empathetic and often distance themselves from others for fear that they will emotionally hurt others as a result of their withdrawal.

I know a couple of pilots that suffer from depression. Flying is their only joy. I hope regulators don't buy into the suggestion that depressed pilots are dangerous to the public.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I've never figured out what qualifies this guy to write about the topics he writes about. His writing has always been about accident analysis and some pretty serious technical stuff, but if memory serves, his only academic credential is a degree in English or literature or something similar. He's got less flight time than a senior regional FO, has never taken any accident investigation training, is not an engineer, etc. Why is this guy writing about aviation accidents? Shut up, Garrison!
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I posted this in the other forum (APC) to another contributor to Flying Magazine that posts on there in response to that idiot...


I know we have a contributor to Flying Magazine on here that has interacted with some folks after what he wrote. Hopefully, he sees it the way I (and I hope) others see it and will get feedback where feedback is needed.

I am absolutely disgusted by another 'contributor' to Flying Magazine and his attempt to formulate a substantive opinion of the what happened concerning the German Wings tragedy...

The truth about pilots (Opinion) - CNN.com

What we have here is an arrogant, self promoting piece where the 'contributor' is using the wave of sensationalism journalism after a complex incident in an attempt to self promote his ego and get his name in the mainstream. The broad strokes of assumption he makes against professional pilots is deplorable. He has NO clue about my or others experiences that helped shaped our duty of responsibility and trust as professionals with our passengers (or cargo) and airplane when he makes doltish remarks like this....

Nor are pilots of a higher moral type than the rest of us. Despite the pieties they occasionally utter, pilots do not consciously shoulder the burden of hundreds of lives or feel more responsible for a full airplane than for an empty one.
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Furthermore, he misses the point completely when he makes two other crass statements like this...

Besides, most flying is routine -- hours of boredom, the cliché goes, punctuated by moments of sheer terror. The glitches have long since been ironed out, and the airplanes are so wonderfully engineered that they usually protect even the worst pilot from himself.
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and then...

The greatest guarantee you have that your pilot is devoted to your safety is the fact that he or she is in the airplane with you.
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Flying isn't routine. No two flights are ever the same. Flying seems routine thanks to the dedication of thousands of professionals that strive to make it as routine as it is for our passengers and cargo entrusted for us to fly. Flying is extremely safe for what it is. There is a big difference between routine and safe. Your fellow 'contributor' misses this point. The reason why it may seem routine to him is that after a complex tragedy like the German Wings flight, the aviation community, led by Pilots, come together and challenge each other to make the system safer and enact changes in an attempt to guarantee that the system that the pilot is in with the airplane are operating in is the safest possible. The pilot is devoted to the passenger's and cargo's safety for more reasons than that they are 'simply in the airplane with you'. Pilot's want this industry to succeed. Many have livelihoods that depend on it and they want nothing more than a safe and vibrant system for themselves and their counterparts at other airlines.

What I am asking the Flying Magazine writer on here to do is bring back these thoughts to the other 'contributor' and other's thoughts on here towards what he wrote. He missed the mark completely in his attempt at an op-ed. I would personally characterize it as a sensationalism journalism.

I am sure others would also love for the poster on here to bring back their thoughts about what Les Asbend is saying as well...
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Agreed.

Most people that suffer from depression without a dual-diagnosis, even those that have suicidal ideation, rarely have any violent tendencies. In fact, the opposite is more often the case. They are often hyper-empathetic and often distance themselves from others for fear that they will emotionally hurt others as a result of their withdrawal.
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That was certainly my father-in-law almost to a tee.
 
As pennance for my unusual whiskey induced outburst last night (usually I'm the friendly drunk- but apparently my hairy buttcrack became visible- my apologies CC!), I put forth the ultimate solution to this germanwings problem:

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Flight crew bulliten is pending to outline the courtesy flush procedure.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
As pennance for my unusual whiskey induced outburst last night (usually I'm the friendly drunk- but apparently my hairy buttcrack became visible- my apologies CC!), I put forth the ultimate solution to this germanwings problem:

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Flight crew bulliten is pending to outline the courtesy flush procedure.
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Vacuum toilet or standard? If vacuum, we will need to include a "fat ass" procedure for not flushing while seated. Of course, if you were constipated that may help.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
As pennance for my unusual whiskey induced outburst last night (usually I'm the friendly drunk- but apparently my hairy buttcrack became visible- my apologies CC!), I put forth the ultimate solution to this germanwings problem:

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Flight crew bulliten is pending to outline the courtesy flush procedure.
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I'm the same, but gin, woo boy am I an "angry gin drunk".
 
I've learned that whenever it involves the general public, they really don't care about the story, but they're very passionate about reacting to whatever the most salacious rumor is.

My neighbor was fit to be tied about when the Malaysian jet flew over the Ukraine and was shot down. Were they hijacked and made to fly over the area? Did they veer off course? Was it a 'false flag' operation?

Then I told him that it's a very busy, normal air route from Europe into the Middle East and Asia.

He blinked a few times and continued on with the conspiratorial questions.

Sadly, people don't really care what the truth is, but we really enjoy getting ourselves worked up every 72 hours.
 
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Maybe a more comical way of saying it is most scientifically-minded people know you should never mix ammonia and household bleach together, if I shot a blurry video of it, with "Homeopathic gluten-free cleaning solution" with a slow strumming guitar for background music and posted it on facebook about the magical cleaning properties of doing just this, people would do it without hesitation.

We are in an age of full-on disregard for truth and science and try to "crowd source" a more popular, saucier conclusion to everything through social media.
 
Derg said:
Maybe a more comical way of saying it is most scientifically-minded people know you should never mix ammonia and household bleach together, if I shot a blurry video of it, with "Homeopathic gluten-free cleaning solution" with a slow strumming guitar for background music and posted it on facebook about the magical cleaning properties of doing just this, people would do it without hesitation.

We are in an age of full-on disregard for truth and science and try to "crowd source" a more popular, saucier conclusion to everything through social media.
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Too late. Someone already did and the evil government tried to shut them down, so all the people taking their miracle cure are mad and sourcing it from other places.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement
Ok, so their just drinking concentrated bleach, but it's close enough.
 
WacoFan said:
There's a certain fallacy that involves a lot of people that aren't depressed and don't understand it trying to explain what was going through this guys head. It would be like people plugging their ears for a minute and trying to explain what it's like to be deaf. I don't get depression at all - and I think it would be hard for most of us to comprehend what it must be like. My sister has it and it is baffling. I can tell you that of the myriad painful physical conditions I've had including breaking a significant number of bones at one time and deafness...I wouldn't trade for having depression. It's a spooky weird thing and I'd rather hurt.
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You get it. Most don't. It's easier to demonize someone than to sit back and think, "Hey, maybe, just maybe, there are millions and millions of others with a brain issue that makes them feel hopeless for no reason and we should worry more about addressing that than changing the locks on cockpit doors". But that requires some deep logic that would make people roll their eyes and switch to Fox News.
 
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